Terrorists now attack minorities

  • Hiramir

    History itself is the biggest source,

    Look at the past history of Pakistan u will come to the truth,

    a hidden games against the state of Pakistan,

  • MG

    Also you term denmark to be one of the most anti-muslim countries in the world, but you really don't understand the context.

    Just so you know, denmark has been one of the leading anti-israeli occupation voices in europe for decades. It is one of the few countries that does not support israel's atrocities, but rather condemns it in the strictest terms. This is based on nothing more than the knowledge of the injustices perpetrated against the palestinians.

    I realize that you cannot understand how i can say something like this about the country responsible for the infamous cartoons, but having lived, worked and studied there i can tell you that muslim perception of denmark is no less myopic than their perception of muslims.

    What has guided their perception of muslims?

    Unfortunately for denmark it takes in the highest number of refugess from the muslim world per capita in the developed world. A very large percentage of muslims in denmark come from active war zones (Gaza, Somalia, Bosnia for example). These people usually suffer from severe mental trauma, lack of marketable skills, little or no education, language barriers and have severe social difficulties. Unfortunately these people wind up getting in trouble a whole lot more than average danes and that contributes to a negative perception.

    Apart from that every year there are several cases of honor killings in denmark that occur because the girl cannot reconcile the liberal danish society with her traditional upbringing. Within the pakistnai community in denmark i have heard of at least a dozen honor killings in the last few years alone.

    Since you are not a dane you cannot understand the way such an act offends and damages the fabric of danish society and contributes to a terribly negative perception of muslims.

    But what probably harms the muslims the most is the massive amount of welfare fraud, visa marriages, and overall exploitation of the welfare system committed by a large number of muslims in denmark. FOr a nation with a 50% tax burden, the systematic exploitation committed by a disproportionate number of muslims leads to a terribly strong (if not wholly accurate) negative impression of muslims.

    Yet even so, not only do muslims have their own mosques, special dietary dispensations, language classes in their tongue of origin paid for by the danish government, complete equality in legal terms, and every facility available to them as an ethnic dane.

    You say it is a country that hates muslims... even if that was true, their principles of humanity and equality supersede any prejudices and ensure muslims a security that they might not even feel in their home countries.

  • Psycho

    Mirza Ghulam Ahmed was an ummti of the Prophet (pbuh). He was not a separate law-giving prophet with a separate mandate. He was a follower of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and never claimed any differently.

    That he claimed to be the Imam Mehdi does not mean he disassociated himself from the ummah of the prophet (pbuh) nor did he in any way deny the authenticity of the Quran or the supremacy of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

  • Hkbajwa

    Mirza Ghulam Ahmed was an ummti of the Prophet (pbuh). He was not a separate law-giving prophet with a separate mandate. He was a follower of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and never claimed any differently.

    I think u don't even know ur books.

    Why u are Playing i don't Know. U said he was ummti of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH),

    if he was ummti of Prophet they why he said.

    Mirza in his book 'Aina-e-kamalaat said he is rasool and nabi. Further he says that he is a human being and door of prophethood is open.

    and It is also clear

    He did all this on the orders of Britishers.

    To change the Islam and for long term benefits of Britsher

  • psycho

    there is no way i can provide you with any viewpoint or information to counter the massive amounts of propoganda on the site from which you gather all your "information".

    so you win

  • Thanks HKB, that text of yours, almost word for word, I could have written myself. But you gave it a good shot. For that, gratitude. On the other hand, you and I, in a thousand years of existence if some such were ever granted, would never see eye to eye. Well, jeete raihie.

  • MG

    you're welcome.. i'm still a bit confused though.. did you end it with agreeing or disagreeing??

  • Hqbajwa

    The truth is very clear to u but u are not accepting it, what i can do????????????

  • psycho

    Buddha once said

    "there are 3 truths in the world; my truth, your truth and THE truth"

    And a truly humble person thinks carefully before he labels his truth as THE truth

  • hkb - As psycho puts it above: the truth is very clear to you. Disagreeing, of course. I personally detest the West in all its arrogance and material wealth which, thank God, is slowly but steadily being eroded. Sorry. If those who live in the West can't see its multiple crimes, daily and over the centuries, then they've sold their soul to materialism or are simply ignorant. Once again, sorry for that. I'd much rather have agreed with you. God be with you.

  • MG

    Hey i totally agree that the God of materialism has taken over in the West, and they will soon buckle under the weight of their own inadequacies.

    However i counsel that one not throw the baby out with the bathwater since the west HAS developed many things from which the rest of the world could benefit immensely if only we would look past our own prejudice and see their value.

    Not everything western is evil you know.

  • Dear friends,

    'Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam: Heretic or a Scapegoat'

    This post is up there for you valuable contribution and discussion please


  • Dear Friends,

    The Mehdi (as) the guided one and the Promised Messiah who is eagerly awaited by, not only the Muslims but by all the major religions; by Christianity, Judaic as well as by the Vedanta (Hindu) also; He will come from God and for sure he may not bring the new Book of Law that religion is since completed at Islam in shape of Quran.

    This person who is guided one may not be the Rasul,law bearing prophet but certainly he is Nabi.

    Allah jala shana ho addresses all the believers present at that time of Holy prophet as well as of future that who so ever obeys Allah and this Holy Prophet, HazraT Muhammad (saw), they will be blessed one and will find themselves in the company of the prophets, the truthful, and righteous. An excellent companion are these. There is clear indication that there will certainly be prophets in the future and Mehdi; yes; he is prophet of Allah.

    Anyhow; If Allah sends his prophet who will follow the path set by Muhammad (saw); who are we to objet? Let’s be in our Pajamas.

    A verse from Quran is very clear on this subject.

    [Al-Nisa' Chapter 4 : Verse 69]And whoso obeys Allah and this Messenger of His, shall be among those on whom Allah has bestowed His blessings, namely, the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs, and the Righteous. And excellent companions are these.’


  • HKB, I just saw your response on page 11. Alas, alas, even here I must beg to differ. In my eyes, everything they do and have done is evil. And I say this as one who knows the West well, very, very well, too well, in fact.

    If we wish to succeed elsewhere in the world, we must seek our own solutions to our problems and never look westward for inspiration or help. We must never copy them in anyway at all. Perhaps, over time, you might come to see what I mean.

  • Ghalib sahib,

    [Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam: Heretic or a Scapegoat]

    Ek Kahani Khatum hoi anjam say pehlay hee.

    Mear bhai batta he diya hota

    As Ahmadi I am quite used to this sort of discrimination; you are not the first but you could have at least sent me an email before taking the post off....as Curtesy does demand in blogging. Remember; I did inform last nite before putting this up.

    Anyhow does not matter;


    Hum tou hain dil;dukay hoaay;

    tum ney dukha leya to kia


  • Sorry, AK, If you mean me, I had no hand in it whatsoever. You are miximg me up with Moderator Sahib semirza. I'm just a plain blogger here quite like yourself, no powers of any kind whatsoever, and so it should be. Redirect your message to him, please. And I am sorry they just yanked it off the screen without so much as a by your leave. It has happened to me too in the past, so not to feel you were specially signaled out. I have come to understand it in the following terms: People complain enough about this or that and out it goes. But on the whole I've found this blog to be a pretty tolerant place, better than many encountered elsewhere.

    P.S. So you stuck it onto your own blog. So what's lost, nothing. So no need to feel betrayed or whatever. Emotions and politics make bad companions, don't you agree?

  • @ak

    ur post is in F & R section.

  • Thanks Umer

  • http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/editorial/in-the-line-of-fire-760

    In the line of fire

    By Ahmad Mustafa

    Monday, 07 Jun, 2010

    HELLO, and a very good morning to you. I wish I could begin by saying “may peace be on you” in Arabic but unfortunately, I’d risk being thrown into jail besides having to pay a very heavy fine. So we’ll drop that idea for now.

    Within the boundaries of this land, as per the constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, I am not by any definition a Muslim. I am a member of the community that came under intense attack by armed zealots on Friday, May 28. And yes, I witnessed the entire tragic episode firsthand.

    It was a normal Friday morning, just like all the other Fridays that come and go. I woke up unusually early by my standards, at 10am. Had a decent breakfast, read the paper, took a shower and was off to pray. That was 1:20pm. Fifteen minutes later, I and four or five others were frantically trying to break the lock to a small room. That achieved, I was holed up in a tiny cabinet with an older gentleman beside me, listening to gunfire and hand grenades exploding while praying to God and furiously dialling the emergency helpline 15 again and again. I won’t go into the details of what happened because you already know them by now. I’m going to tell you what you may not know.

    One, threats of violence have been being hurled at us for a very long time. Just recently Amnesty International released a report on minority issues in Pakistan and urged the government to take strict corrective action. Two, the government, whatever it may say, did not provide adequate security even though it was aware of the seriousness of the situation. Three, we — Ahmadis — are not agents of the CIA, Blackwater, Israel, RAW, Mossad or any other organisation or network. We are a religious community without any political affiliations, with no history of violence and are engaged in charity work throughout the world. Our official motto is ‘love for all, hatred for none’.

    Let’s get back to what happened that black Friday. I witnessed the Model Town carnage and can testify that there were three, maybe four, policemen in all who had been stationed there for many months. I saw them in their dhotis and slippers, smoking their hookahs, whenever I went to pray. That is what the state saw as ‘adequate’ security. What is the point of policemen being there when all they are going to do is smoke and chew paan? We were offered a false, token sense of security.

    Most of the security cover on the day of the attacks was comprised of unarmed volunteers from our own community. Friends and relatives who were outside tell me that the police and the Elite Force, on their arrival at the Model Town site, did not even attempt to go inside and showed signs of fear (last time I checked, weren’t all Elite Force jawans wearing shirts inscribed with ‘no fear’?). Seeing this, members of the community who were outside tried to convince them that they had to enter the premises: the clock was ticking and lives were at stake. On the law enforcers’ refusal, some Ahmadis tried to take their weapons so that at least they could go inside themselves and try to deal with the gunmen.

    It was only after the worshippers inside had subdued two of the attackers that the law-enforcement personnel found the confidence to go in. The terrorists, by the way, had an easy passage of entry: they came through the cricket ground which is directly in front of what is called Bait-ul-Noor. Five gunmen. Fully armed. Two with suicide jackets. Do unarmed people in their teens and twenties stand a chance against them? You decide. I hope the honourable khadim-i-aala of Punjab takes note of what I’m saying here. Sir, I’ll be direct for your convenience. There wasn’t enough police and please don’t give us lectures on police bravery.

    And yes, you need to dial 15 literally 40 times before you get through. And by the time you do, you’re probably on your way to heaven along with the suicide bomber — or in our case, hell. If news channels can reach the spot 15 minutes earlier than the law-enforcement agencies, then I wonder where the billions of rupees set aside for the police force go.

    If we are to revisit the history of the Ahmadi community in Pakistan, numerous events and occurrences expose the deep prejudice and discriminatory attitude that the state and religious extremists hold against them. 1953: anti-Ahmadi riots with the call to oust Sir Zafrulla Khan, the country’s first foreign minister and a prominent Ahmadi. 1974: Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, the country’s first elected prime minister, ensures the passage of a resolution declaring the community non-Muslim. 1984: Ziaul Haq promulgates an ordinance that specifically prevents them from calling themselves Muslim and from using Muslim descriptions and titles. In a nutshell, they cannot refer to themselves as Muslims.

    Say the Islamic greeting, publish your books or give out the call to prayer and you’ll be incarcerated in the blink of an eye. Eid-ul-Fitr last year: yahoos try to disrupt the offering of Eid prayers in the very same prayer house in Model Town. And please take note that these prayer houses cannot be called ‘mosques’ under the law (it’s a shame that it’s even called a law), which is why anchorpersons and other journalists use the word ibadatgah (place of worship).

    So, on the one hand, we have the constitution and Article 20 which guarantees the right to freedom of worship and the propagation of one’s religion. And on the other hand, you have the Ziaul Haq ordinance. Notice any contradictions? The state first tells us we are allowed the freedom to pray openly. Then it tells us it’s a crime to do so. Oxymoronic? Moronic as well. Honourable chief justice, if the anti-Ahmadi ordinance does not violate the said article and the very basic structure of the constitution of the country, then what does?

    — To be concluded

    The writer is a student.


  • "he state first tells us we are allowed the freedom to pray openly. Then it tells us it’s a crime to do so."

    In case you don't know (but I know you do) the attack happened AFTER the passage of the 18th Amendment:

    The chief justice said credit must go to the present parliament, which after 25 years took notice of the brazen act of removing the word relating to the minorities' rights, and restored the word "freely" in the Objectives Resolution, which had always been part of the Constitution.

    So stop lying just to gain sympathy. 'Majority' has been victimized a lot more than this particular minority but that you have no problem with...Again, "Me, me, me!!"

    Next thing you know, the NATO tankers will now start whining :-P