61 Years Debt: 60 Trillion; Last Two Years Debt: 30 Trillion



  • Country owes Rs 90 trillion debt, PAC informed
    ...The Finance Secretary told the PAC that during the financial year 2007

    and 2008, the loan was Rs 60 trillion that has now risen to Rs 90

    trillion, including Rs 45 trillion national loans against Rs 45 trillion

    foreign loans....



  • you guys will say "dicatorship is like a curse and is hell"
    "poor democracy is better than any dictarship"

    i say hell with that.... whatever that works is fine.



  • Quaid Ka Mazar

    Neither Democracy is good nor Dictatorship, Both are man made system. As Allah is perfect so the system given by Allah (Din'' Ullah) is perfect. We are going down and down because we neglect Din'' Ullah. Therefore we have to face it.



  • one hundred percent agreed with super soldier



  • agreed with super soldier





  • Super soldier,

    "Neither Democracy is good nor Dictatorship, Both are man made system. As Allah is perfect so the system given by Allah (Din'' Ullah) is perfect." Your quote.

    There are many forms of government and none of them is perfect, I agree but the rest of your statement needs some clarification.
    Yes, Allah is perfect but when it comes to political system our Deen doesn't give any clear suggestions as to what is the right way. Am I right or do you disagree? As far as my little knowledge is concerned, there is no mentioning of any particular system in Quran, which means that God leaves it on our discretion. Please do educate me if you can by bringing some verses that command us to adopt some perfect way of government.



  • Imagine the total debt if the country had been run by Zardari for sixtythree years instead of just two!



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    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    US debt is not $11 trillion. The least amount for US debt is $202 trillion.

    What US owes to Zionists/Unjust Jews is;<span></span>

    (1) $1.5 quadrillion (1500 trillion), plus**
    (2)** $750 trillion (in CDOs), plus**
    (3)** this $202 trillion**
    (4)** etc etc, the list is long

    There's much more where the above came from, that has not been 'disclosed' yet.

    USA owes all of this to offshore banks, bankers, who are based in

    Europe. Remember Zionists/Unjust Jews ? Their banking system started in

    Europe ? Zionists/Unjust Jews are based in Europe. First they took over

    Europe, and after USA was created, they also took over USA's financial

    system in 1913.

    People in US have no intention of paying off this large a debt. They

    are rather willing to 'accept' 'slavery' at the hands of Zionists/Unjust

    Jews.

    Furthermore, USA's economy is being brought down by design by

    Zionists/Unjust Jews. If the economy is down, those of them who'd want

    to pay back, won't be able to. Which means ? Slavery will begin. A

    never-ending slavery, for many generations to come.

    Europe also owes these Zionists/Unjust Jews a lot of money. They owe

    Zionists/Unjust Jews a lot of money because these people are in crazy

    love with living way way beyond their means.

    Even if these people don't want to, the debt they owe to

    Zionists/Unjust Jews, the fact that they can't pay it back, will make

    sure, that they 'slave' it out to Zionists/Unjust Jews for the rest of

    their lives, not only the present generation, but the many coming

    generations as well.

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    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Dammit!!. How the heck!!! are we the present generation of people of Pakistan going to pay back;

    (1) Rs. 90 trillion of debt, plus
    (2) Rs. 8+ trillion of internal debt ? and rising ?

    Pakistan is under $1+ trillion debt/loan already ? What's the 'interest' we'll be forced to pay back on this loan ?

    What are people of Pakistan doing to themselves ? Have our liberals, our secularists gone nuts ? They are living their lives way way beyond their means. They are forcing us to go deeper and deeper into debt.

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  • Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    LAANTI!!! Pakistaniyo, where is the revolution LAANTI!!! QAUM!!! ?!?!?!!!!!



  • Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Economy of this entire world as it is, at present, is = $50 trillion.

    P.S. This information is based on my 'speculation'. I 'heard' this over mass media broadcasts. This is 'unconfirmed' info.



  • Truthlover

    Please consider the following verse:

    5:44 We did send down the Torah containing guidance and a light. <u>By it the Prophets who always sincerely submitted to Allah</u> (allatheena aslamoo)<u>, judged the Jews.</u> And the rabbis and the priests judged according to Allah’s Scripture as they were commanded to observe. For to them was entrusted the protection of Allah’s Book, and they were witnesses to it. So, fear not people, but fear Me and do not trade away My Revelations for petty gains. <u>Whoever does not judge and rule according to what Allah has Revealed, such are the disbelievers (Kafiroon).
    </u>

    In the above verse, two categories of people are mentioned:

    1. allatheena aslamoo [i.e. Those who submit (to Allah) or those who are Muslims]. They judge or rule according to what Allah has revealed
       2. Kaafiroon. These are those who do not judge according to what Allah has revealed

    From the verse 5:44 given above, it becomes clear that those who judge or rule according to what Allah has revealed are Muslims and those who do not judge or rule according to what Allah has revealed are Kafiroon.

    All the Prophets of Bani Israel (including Moses) were Muslims or Submitters (to Allah) and used to rule, judge and decide matters of their public according to the Divine Revelation (At-Taurat or Torah) [5:44]. Following their footsteps, Jesus, son of Maryam also used to rule, judge and decide matters of his public according to Injeel, the Book revealed to him [5:46-47]. Then came the last of the prophets of Allah, Muhammad (s.a.) and Al-Quran was the Book that was revealed to him. The Quran is the last of the Divine Revelation and is the Watcher over the old Scriptures and guards the Truth in them. Like all the previous prophets, Muhammad (a.s.) was also commanded by Allah to rule, judge or decide matters according to what was revealed to him [5:48], and so he did.

    Those who do not rule, judge or decide matters according to what Allah has revealed are Kafiroon (5:44), Zalimoon (5:45) and Fasiqoon (5:47), according to the Quran.

    In the verses 5:44, 5:45 and 5:47, the word ‘yahkum’ has been used from which the word hakoomat is. In the light of the verse 5:44, an Islamic hakoomat (or government) can be defined as the one that rules according to the Quran, the last of the Books revealed by Allah.

    Today, there is no single Government in the whole world which rules, judges or decides matters solely according to what Allah has revealed. All Governments are of Kafiroon, Zalimoon or Fasiqoon. There is no Islamic Government that exists on the face of earth today.



  • truthlover

    The Last Messenger of Allah established a system of life in which He used to rule or judge people according to the Book revealed to him [5:48-49, 4:105, 6:114]. And this was not new only to him. In fact, all the previous Messengers of Allah also established systems of life during their time whereby they ruled or judged according to the Books revealed to them [5:44-47, 2:213]. Indeed, any who does not rule or judge according to Allah’s Revelation is Kaafir [5:44],  Zalim [5:45] and Fasiq [5:47], according to the Quran. The principle of ruling or judging by the Book is the foundation of an Islamic System. No system can be called  Islamic unless all the judgments and rulings therein are according to the Book, Al-Quran, the last of the Revealed Books that is the Watcher over all the old Scriptures and guards the Truth in them [5:48].

    Al-Hukm or the Judgment or the Rule or the Command belongs to none but Allah alone [6:57, 6:62, 12:40, 12:67, 28:70, 28:80, 40:12, 42:10]. He does not take anyone as partner in His Hukm [18:26]. He is Khair-ul-Hakimeen [7:87, 10:109, 12:80] and Ahkam-ul-Hakimeen [11:45, 95:8]. In an Islamic System, all the so-called rulers or judges are obligated to rule and judge as per Allah’s Rule and Judgment. Sunnah or the Way of the Prophet [s.a.] is not part of Al-Hukm, since Allah does not take any partners in His Hukm [18:26]. However, in Sunnah of the Prophet [s.a.], guidance may be sought for ways to implement Al-Hukm, or for by-laws based upon Al-Hukm. But the ways to implement or enforce Al-Hukm as well as by-laws based upon it, are not as unchangeable as is Al-Hukm itself. The ways and by-laws may be altered according to the suitability of time and circumstances but Al-Hukm itself cannot be changed in any circumstances.

    The obedience to Allah [Aatee-u-Allah] is the basis of an Islamic System. But Allah is Invisible. He comprehends all vision but no vision comprehends Him [6:103, 7:143]. He does not come face to face with people to give them His Laws and Commands. All of His Commands for the people are in the Book revealed by Him. Obedience to Allah means conformity to His Laws or abidance by His Commands which are in His Revealed Book, Al-Quran. His Commands or Laws do not change like the whim of a despot or caprice of a king. No one can change His Laws. Even, He Himself does not change His Laws, although He is all powerful to do so [10:64, 30:30, 33:62, 35:43, 48:23, 6:34, 6:115, 18:27].

    Allah’s Laws and Commands, in the Quran, cannot implement or enforce themselves upon people, on their own. Moreover, each individual may interpret these Laws and Commands in his own way and abide by them according to his own right. So, there is a need for one Central Authority and his obedience [Aatee-ur-Rasool]. The first Central Authority was Muhammad [a.s.], the Messenger of Allah. Hence, obedience to the Messenger was also necessary, which was, in effect the obedience to Allah by abidance by His Book as interpreted and enforced by the Central Authority [4:80].

    Muhammad [a.s.] was mortal and could not live forever [3:144]. But this did not mean the end of the Islamic System. The Central Authority, after his death, would transfer from him to his Khalifa, the Successor. Moreover, as the expanse of the Islamic System will increase, it would become impossible for the single human Authority to be present at all places at all times to make judgments, rulings or implement or enforce the Law. There would become a need for sub-authorities or subordinates, hence, the obedience to Ol-il-Amr.

    Unless there is one single Islamic Central Authority, the dream of implementing Islam as a System, as an alternative to secular democracy or other systems, can never be realized. Without a Central Authority, Islam may exist, as it is today, like a downgraded ritualistic religion, in which every individual or sect may keep on living on the vacuous wish of pleasing Allah or rendering Him worship in its own way and in its own right but it can never become a truly Islamic System of life to bring forth its promised benefits. And that means the transfer of sovereignty from individual states, as they exist today, to the Central Authority which itself would work under the Ultimate Sovereignty of Allah, i.e. His Book. Moreover, this also means the end of the authority of the Ullema or the Muftis of today and the Imams of the past. The interpretation of the Laws and the formulation of by-laws will be done by the Central Authority alone, within the bounds of the Quran. There will be no sects, no religious or political parties, not even an opposition party or Hizb-e-Ikhtilaf within the Islamic System.

    All the affairs shall be decided by mutual consultation, in the light of the Quran. If there is any disagreement among the representatives on any matter, the judgment thereof will be referred to Allah [42:10] i.e. His Book. This referral will be through the sub-authorities or the central authority for the final verdict [4:59], which will make the judgment according to Allah’s Book [5:48].

    Derived from two ancient Greek words demos (the people) and kratos (strength), Democracy is a political system in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who can elect people to represent them. Then, the numerical majority of the elected representatives can make laws, rules or decisions binding on the whole group. While making laws and rules, these elected representatives do not have any objective standards, unprejudiced touchstones, absolute criteria or bounds of any permanent values to take into account. The difference between such a system and the Islamic System is that the law-making in the latter is based upon the objective standards and the absolute criteria given in the Quran and do not go against the Permanent Values enshrined therein.

    Before anyone becomes a believer in such a system, He has full choice whether he wants to become a believer or not [18:29]. There is no compulsion whatsoever upon him to become a member of the Muslim community [2:256]. But once he becomes a member of the Muslim community, he is obligated to abide by its Laws. The authority would make sure that he does so. He cannot be left with that he abides by some laws that he likes and violates others that he dislikes. No community, no nation and no country would allow that.



  • <FONT face="Times New Roman">@ super soldier: Today, there is no single Government in the whole world which rules, judges or decides matters solely according to what Allah has revealed. All Governments are of Kafiroon, Zalimoon or Fasiqoon. There is no Islamic Government that exists on the face of earth today. </FONT>

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    <FONT face="Times New Roman">Two questions: So if a government despite a democracy/dictatorship/theocracy rules judges or decides matters solely according to what Allah has revealed can be called Islamic government?
    A) If yes, then why Khilafat is the only way?
    B) If not, then provide some citation from Quran/Sunnah where Khilafat is prescribed as the prefered way of govern. </FONT>

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    <FONT face="Times New Roman">Another question: When was the last time in Islamic history you can recall/labeled a government as “Islamic government”?<span> </span></FONT>



  • @ super soldier: Today, there is no single Government in the whole world which rules, judges or decides matters solely according to what Allah has revealed. All Governments are of Kafiroon, Zalimoon or Fasiqoon. There is no Islamic Government that exists on the face of earth today.

    Two questions: So if a government despite a democracy/dictatorship/theocracy rules judges or decides matters solely according to what Allah has revealed can be called Islamic government?
    A) If yes, then why Khilafat is the only way?
    B) If not, then provide some citation from Quran/Sunnah where Khilafat is prescribed as the prefered way of govern.

    Another question: When was the last time in Islamic history you can recall/labeled a government as “Islamic government”?<span> </span>



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    <span><FONT face=Calibri>Thanks for your lengthy answer, I appreciate it and yet my question remained unanswered. I do understand the importance of Qura’an for Muslims as individuals and as a community. If the messengers’ of God used the holy books as guides in their daily lives that was but a natural act. I agree with you that this process didn’t come to an end with passing away of the prophet but goes on even in present times. <o:p></o:p></FONT></span>

    <span><FONT face=Calibri>What I meant was that Islam or no other prophets came with any particular form of government except different codes of morality and principles that were to be observed in governing the societies as the sovereignty belongs to God alone. I have no questions regarding this clear matter; on the other hand I still believe that how we chose our leaders is not described in our holy book. <o:p></o:p></FONT></span>

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    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,<span></span>

    **@**Truthlover: You are wrong. It is described in Quran.

    Since you don't have knowledge about it, you should say, I don't know

    if it is mentioned in the Quran, rather than saying 'it is not in the holy book'. Plus you should 'consult' 'knowledgeable'

    people about it.

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  • Why we r comparing our sick system with USA. USA is a dollar printing economy and its security bonds are basics behind that. Till the time, dollar will be a single currency in trade, USA economy will prevail.

    Coming to our land of pure, we are living on loans. West is giving us loans knowingly that these wont be paid back by this poor country. But on the basis of loans we are under control of shark which is dictating economical, military and political terms as suited for their benefits.

    I will recommend all readers to read book "Confessions of Economic Hit Man" by parkins for more vision on why west is extending loans to countries like us. The book can be downloaded from following link:

    http://www.4shared.com/document/r0HV6tn5/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit.htm?aff=7637829



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    <span><FONT face=Calibri>Thanks for your kind advice. <o:p></o:p></FONT></span>

    <span><FONT face=Calibri>Your comment made me smile, God bless you for that.<o:p></o:p></FONT></span>