Khilafat vs Democratic Political System







  • Another thread for Khilafat topi drama; can't we continue with other threads on this topic.



  • This is the alternate to the incumbent secular political system that has failed us since forever, nicely written above, try to open up your mind and read it with an open heart-



  • Orya ka naam daikh k mujay ulti aa gayi!!

    Salam yeh mosoof Hazrat Amir ul Momineen Zia ul Haq wali khilfat lana chahtay hain!!



  • جگر پڑھ تو لے، اگر سمجھو تو پتہ چلے کہ ضیاء کے نظام کا حمایتی تو اصل میں عمران خان ہے

    اب برائے مہربانی اس نکتے پر بات کرنی ہے تو کرو نہیں تو کوئی زبردستی نہیں، اگر خلافت کو سمجھنا ہے تو پڑھ لو نہیں تو آنکھیں اور دل بند ہی رکھ کر گزر جاؤ

    مہربانی شکریہ



  • If Orya Maqbool thinks bureaucracy is redundant why was he part of one through out his adult life? He didn't say what was the power transition mechanism? 3 out of 4 caliphs were murdered on political reasons. War was the mode of expansion and he is saying it was ideal :)

    The social welfare aspect, devolution of power and lack of corruption were certainly positives that need to be followed.



  • "Your cup is full, no matter how much knowledge I pour into you, you will never be able to learn. Learn to empty your cup and you will start learning like a sponge"



  • @Salam

    Come on man this Khilafat system is not workable in our country and this Orya character is making us fool. All they want to bring Nawaz Sharif as an Amir al Momineen so he could fulfil dream of Gen Zia. In my view, this Khilafat topi drama will not work in our country.

    Every Molvi will want to become Khalifa and then there will be sectarian riots of unprecedented scale throughout the country. Just tell us who will be first Khalifa of Pakistan. Do you have any name?



  • Shaheed and not 'murdered'.

    It was their martydom that ushered in an era of tranquility and prosperity, peace and harmony that the world never saw since advent of humans on this planet. if you knew what they accomplished you will wish for a million martydom like that.

    There was once a civilization that was the greatest in the world. It was able to create a continental super-state that stretched from ocean to ocean, and from northern climates to tropics and deserts. Within its dominion lived hundreds of millions of people, of different creeds and ethnic origins. One of its languages became the universal language of much of the world, the bridge between the peoples of a hundred lands. Its armies were made up of people of many nationalities. Its military protection allowed a degree of peace and prosperity that had never been known. The reach of this civilization's commerce extended from Latin America to China, and everywhere in between.

    This civilization was driven, more than anything, by invention. Its architects designed buildings that defied gravity. Its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers and the creation of encryption. Its doctors examined the human body and found new cures for disease. Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration. Its writers created thousands of stories - stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things.

    When other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive and passed it on to others. While modern Western civilization shares many of these traits, the civilization I'm talking about was the Islamic world from the year 800 to 1600, which included the Ottoman Empire and the courts of Baghdad, Damascus and Cairo, and enlightened rulers like Suleiman the Magnificent.

    Although we are often unaware of our indebtedness to this other civilization, its gifts are very much a part of our heritage. The technology industry would not exist without the contributions of Muslim mathematicians. Leaders like Suleiman contributed to our notions of tolerance and civic leadership. And perhaps we can learn a lesson from his example: It Was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population that included Christianity, Islamic and Jewish traditions.

    This kind of enlightened leadership - leadership that Nurtured culture,sustainability, diversity and courage - led to 800 years of invention and prosperity. In dark and serious times like this, we must affirm our

    Commitment to building societies and institutions that aspire to this kind of greatness.



  • Here is another write up on the alternate political system that the muslims believe in.

    Those who are interested to learn are welcome to read :)



  • السلام و علیکم سلام میاں

    خلافت کے نظام کے محض خیال سے ہی ان سیکولر لبرل لوگوں کو الرجک ردعمل ہوتا ہے . اس میں ان لوگوں کا قصور نہیں ہیں کیونکہ خلافت کے نظام میں ان لوگوں کی بولتی بند ہو جائے گی اور ان کی عیاشیوں کیلئے کوئی جگہ باقی نہیں رہے گی . خلافت ان کی چھیڑ بن چکی ہے اس لئے خلافت کا نام لیتے رہنا چاہیے تاکہ ان سیکولر لبرلز کا فشار خون ہمیشہ بلند رہے

    ان سیکولر لبرلز کا مسئلہ ہے ان کا افلاس سوچ اوردانش کا دیوالیہ پن، یہ بھاڑے کے ٹٹو کیا جانیں کہ خلافت اصل میں کیا ہے ان کے تمام دلائل کی بنیاد مستشرقین کی چند سنی سنائی باتیں ہیں جو کہ اسلام سے شدید نفرت کرتے ہیں

    میں تمام پاکستانی سیکولر لبرلز کو چیلنج کرتا ہوں کہ وہ یہ ثابت کریں کہ ان کی معلومات کا منبع مغربی مستشرقین نہیں ہیں اور ان کا نقطہ نظر ان کی اپنی علمی تحقیق پر مبنی ہے . دوسروں کو بند دماغ کے طعنے دینے والوں کو اپنے کھلے دماغ کا پہلے ثبوت دینا ہوگا

    FJ



  • Whether some secular likes it or not, we have to to an Islamic system in our country. I believe the first step towards it is to have a presidential model of democracy instead of Westminster model. The next would surely be the implementation of Quran and (authenticated) sunnah in (or as) a constitution.

    I agree with FJ that some people tend to believe in rumors as to what Khilafat would be instead of finding out what it is.



  • @salaudin

    Which Islamic system would you implement in Pakistan under your Khilafat?

    Mansoora brand?

    Taliban's extreme intolerant brand?

    Deobandi Islam?

    Brailvi Islam?

    Shia Islam?

    or any other Islam?

    There are over 20 different sects operating in Pakistan and every sect claims their Islam is correct. You can be declared Kafir or Qadiani If you disagree with them.

    What will happen if you did not implement brand of sunnah of one sect? Aren't we going to have large scale sectarian riots from different groups?



  • Khilafat is the advanced political system implemented by Prophet Muhammad PBUH and His Noble Companions, purveyors of secularism want to take us back to two thousand five hundred years old greek system-

    Difference of opinion on matters is a healthy sign in any society, in the West too there are difference of opinion on EVERYTHING, you go out and pick any topic and ask people about it and everyone will tell you his/her desire, does that mean that there are riots or intolerance?

    No, because they have a system that addresses how to resolve difference of opinion and people follow that, similarly for Muslims Khilafat political system offers resolution that ensures unity & harmony in society-

    We should look at this system as a political governance model with an open heard & mind :)



  • Can any supporter of Khilafat topi drama name a person who will become first Khalifa of Pakistan???

    Just name one person if you can!!



  • Sure, there are millions of candidates anyone who fulfils below criteria is a candidate:

    Muslim, Sane, Male, Mature, Competent, Just, and Free

    It is a system that gives us process of selecting/electing a candidate for the post of Caliph :)



  • Bitterlies

    Khilafat is not the pakistani political system, it is the political system of islam, get that !

    Name me a person who is agreed upon by all people of Pakistan to become the next prime minister and I will tell you who will be the first Khalifah of the muslims

    FJ



  • @salam

    You still did not name one!

    The qualities you have stated above can be claimed by anyone even nota will claim these qualities though he doesn't have one!!



  • It is not about name, it is about the principle, concept, idea, rule, governance.

    You are mistaken if you think it is something driven by human whims and desires.

    Can you name a person that FJ asked above?

    Let us understand the system & its processes and after that we can talk about application ;)