Role of Islam in Political Life: What Pakistanis Think?



  • While reading sections of English press and some social media websites, one may get the impression that Islam is being forced on Pakistani and they actually want their country to be secular. But nothing can be further from truth.

    The latest survey from Pew Global Research, shows a similar trend to all such prior surveys. Not a simple majority, no a 2/3rd majority, not even a 3/4th majority but 97% of Pakistanis believe that laws should follow the values and principles of Islam.

    So while some psuedo-seculars may keep on fantasizing that mullahs are forcing religion on Pakistanis and people actually want a secular political system, this and other similar surveys prove that if anything, Pakistanis want more Islamization.

    Here is the link to the survey report:

    http://www.pewglobal.org/2012/07/10/chapter-3-role-of-islam-in-politics/



  • Adonis

    Instead of quoting such surveys , why don't u look at elections results where radical islam parties have only got 'zakati' seats and liberal parties have consistently been winning majority of seats despite all the support for religious extremists from GHQ ?



  • Are PML-N, PML-Q or PPP secular parties? Do any of these calls for elimination of role of Islam in the country?

    In fact it was PPP which gave Islam the paramount role in the 1973 constitution and even in the heydays of its "tsunami" of 1970, called its socialist policies Islamic socialism.

    It is strange that you are confusing support for Islam with support for hardline religious parties. Pakistanis have always been moderate Muslims who firmly believe in supremacy of Islamic laws but firmly reject supremacy of clerics. In any case, clergy have no formal role in Islam.

    Your claim that electoral results somehow show Pakistanis are inclined towards secularism would hold water if there had been any political party in Pakistan which called for secularization of the country and run its election campaign on that platform and succeeded in elections. This has never happened.

    So whether we like it or not, the fact remains that Pakistanis support the role of religion in political life. Blaming it on maulvis or GHQ may give us psychological satisfaction, but does not change the fact on ground.



  • Adonis

    PPP or PML-N or MQM or ANP have never called for islamisation of Pakistan. In their mainiestos , islam has been there only for sympolic purposes and their electoral campaigns have never been around islam. Give me a single example of that.

    People of Pakistan have always rejected those parties which inter mingle islam and pakistan and prime example of that is JI , JUI , JUP .

    If as per your oponion ,people of pakistan are so concerned about islam , why don't they vote for JI , jui , jup ? or sapeh sahaba or tehreek jafaria ?

    Islam came into politics during the era of zia and subsequently GHQ continued its support for islamic outfits and for that we are paying for that.



  • Islam is a part and parcel of the Pakistani society. No one can disassociate it from the overall social fabric of Pakistan. A tiny but vocal minority of sell outs and paid agents cannot force the 180 million to go other way.



  • @ Sharif Aadmi

    If you are saying that Islam came into politics during the era of Zia, then obviously you have not neither read the "original" constitution of 1973 nor the previous constitutions of 1964 and 1956. Even if we do not consider the 1964 constitution being made by a dictator, still 1956 and 1973 constitutions were approved by the consensus of ALL political parties.

    It is quite funny to dub as symbolic the constitutional role given to Islam. Can any non-Muslim become head of State? Can any law be enacted that is against Islam? If not then how is it symbolic? And these provisions were in the constitution before Zia.

    People of Pakistan have never voted for any party that called for secularization of the country. There is actually a Communist Party of Pakistan that calls for secularization of the country and also participates in elections. How many seats has it won in 65 years? ZERO!!! I don't recall their candidates getting even one thousand votes in any constituency.

    Can you tell me which mainstream party calls for changing the constitution or removing the Islamic clauses? If none, then what are you saying?

    As for public support for Islam, it is not my opinion, it is proved by all public opinion surveys, the most recent of which is Pew.

    I think the problem is that you are associating support for Islam with support for parties led by clerics. This is illogical. It merely indicates that most people do not agree with political or religious beliefs of these parties.

    On the other hand, none of the mainstream parties that most people vote for calls for legislation against Islamic principles or reducing role of Islam in the state. So how can voting for them be called a vote against Islam?

    I know it is difficult to accept something that goes against one's staunch opinion, but facts are facts.



  • Again, this survey is actually quite interesting and compares attitudes among 6 Muslim countries.

    http://www.pewglobal.org/2012/07/10/chapter-3-role-of-islam-in-politics/



  • this is good news that pakistanies want islam principles in pakistan.



  • Adonis

    Leave it whether i have read the constituion or not (btw , there is no consituion of 64 , there was one of 62).

    bahi jee, people of pakistan have always voted for people like bhutto , NS , BB which never campaigned on issues like shriah. Waht does that reflect ?

    Didn't people voted for bhutto And mujeeb who were representing lefist asking for socialism . What happned to green revolution of JI ? Wasn't verdict of masses of pakistan clear ?



  • کیا کسی مسلمان کے پاس ، اسلام قبول کرنے کے بعد انتخاب رہتا ہے کہ وہ اپنی زندگی اسلام کے ساتھ گزرنا چاہتا ہے یا خلاف اسلام

    اس طرح کے سروے کوئی معنی نہیں رکھتے ، جب مسلمان ہو گئے تو نماز ، روزہ ، حج ، زکواۃاور باقی تمام اسلامی احکامات کا نفاذ عوامی رائے عامہ کے جائزوں کی بنا پر نہیں ہوگا ، اسلام پر عمل اس لئے کرنا ہوگا کہ یہ اللہ جل شانہ کا حکم ہے

    اس لئے بھی کہ حکم اللہ تعالیٰ ہے کہ دین میں پورے کے پورے داخل ہو جاؤ

    اگر نہیں کرو گے تو اللہ جل شانہ قیامت کے دن خود بتا دینگے کہ کیا حشر ہونے والا ہے

    ف ج



  • @ Sharif Aadmi

    Again, you are presenting Bhutto, NS or BB as anti-islam which they never claimed to be. i think I do not need to say anything about NS who is accused of trying to become Ameer ul Momineen. As for Bhutto, his campaign slogan was "Islamic socialism". If you watch his jalsa speeches, he always said that his party's symbol "sword" was Allah's sword, Khalid bin waleed's sword and Ali's sword. And BB's permanent dupatta and tasbeeh in public life is well known.

    Pakistan is legally and constitutionally an Islamic state so how can a vote for those parties which supported making Pakistan an Islamic state be construed as vote against Islam? You may dismiss constitution and laws as mere symbols but these govern the whole political life.

    The election manifesto of every major party calls for turning Pakistan into a true Islamic welfare state but still you call it symbolism and want these to be considered secular parties. This is pretty strange logic. If these parties support turning Pakistan into a secular country, why they do not say it?

    I agree with you that the verdict of Pakistani people has always been very clear. They have always rejected extremism and they have also always rejected those who wanted to divorce Islam from public life.

    BTW, you still haven't managed to give a single example of any party that calls for turning Pakistan into a secular state and on that slogan has achieved any electoral success.



  • اگر کسی سروے سے معلوم ہوتا ہے کہ پاکستان میں فلاں فلاں فیصد لوگ پاکستان میں اسلام کا نفاذ چاہتے ہیں تو وہ سروے صرف اتنا ہی بتا پاتا ہے۔۔۔۔۔۔ میرا نہیں خیال کہ ایسا کسی قسم کا سروے کوئی زیادہ معلومات دے رہا ہے۔۔۔۔۔۔ اصل سوال یہ ہے کہ پاکستان کے فلاں فلاں فی صد عوام اسلام کی کس تشریح کا نفاذ چاہتے ہیں۔۔۔۔۔۔ وہ تشریح جو پیپلز پارٹی اور مسلم لیگ جیسی جماعتیں کر رہی ہیں یا پھر وہ تشریح جو جماعتِ اسلامی کرتی ہے یا پھر وہ تشریح جو فِقہ جعفریہ والے کرتے ہیں یا پھر وہ تشریح جو حزب التحریر کررہی ہے۔۔۔۔۔۔ یہ اصل سوال ہے۔۔۔۔۔۔

    اور یہ سروے یہ معلومات دینے سے قطعاً قاصر ہے۔۔۔۔۔۔

    ;-) :-) ;-)

    پاکستان کے لوگوں کو یہ حق حاصل ہے کہ وہ اپنے لئے جو نظام مناسب سمجھیں وہ اختیار کریں۔۔۔۔۔۔ لیکن یاد رہے کہ اگر وہ نظام یہ ہو کہ اسلامی ریاست میں غیر مسلموں پر جزیہ نافذ ہو۔۔۔۔۔۔ دوسرے غیر مسلم آبادی والے ممالک پر فوج کشی کی جائے گی۔۔۔۔۔۔ وغیرہ وغیرہ تو میرا نہیں خیال کہ دنیا اس کو تسلیم کرے گی۔۔۔۔۔۔ اپنی ذات میں جس کو جتنا بھی مسلمان ہونا ہے ہوتا رہے۔۔۔۔۔۔

    ویسے اس قسم کے سرویز حزب التحریر یا حزب الٹھرکی کیلئے بڑے فائدہ مند رہتے ہیں کہ انہیں ان سرویز کے نام پر اپنا خلافتی چورن بیچنے کا موقع ملتا ہے۔۔۔۔۔۔

    :-) ;-) :-)



  • But this survey clearly establishes that people of Pakistan do not want any secular system in which law and constitution are not influenced by Islam.

    This was the whole point of the survey and such public opinion surveys are now generating debate in western countries whether their continued support for imposition of secularism in Muslim countries is generating more opposition to the west.



  • لوگ صرف اوپر اوپر سے کہتے ہيں کہ وہ مذہب پہ مبنی نظام چاہتے ہيں، انکی خواہشات کی اصل يہاں سے پتا چلتی ہيں؛

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYut_oa_fis



  • بنيادی طور پہ عقل سے محروم جنونی لوگ ہيں خاص طور سے پنجاب ميں- ہر عقل سے خالی جنونی بات کرنے کو تيار رہتے ہيں چاہے مذہب کے نام پہ سہی يا پورن کے نام پہ- وينا ملک بھی تو بڑی ريٹنگ ليتی ہے اس ملک ميں- مذہب کے نام پہ سروے کو ديگر چيزوں کے ساتھ ملا کر بڑھنے کی ضرورت ہے



  • LoL....

    Yeah. All surveys are just baseless. I wonder why these companies keep on conducting these baseless surveys and why the world gives such importance to them.

    OK. Now after the customary comic relief, can we get back to serious grown-ups discussion?



  • انیس سو تہتر کے آئین کی یہ شق ہو کہ کوئی بھی قانون اسلام کے خلاف نہیں ہوگا یا پھر ان سرویز کا سوال ہو یہ انتہائی اوپن اینڈڈ سوال ہے۔۔۔۔۔۔ کیونکہ اصل سوال اور اصل مشکل اِس کے بعد پیدا ہوگی یعنی جب اسلام نافذ کرنے کا مرحلہ آئے گا۔۔۔۔۔۔ اس وقت تیسری جنگِ عظیم ہوگی کہ کس اسلام کو نافذ کیا جائے یا کیا اسلام ہے اور کیا نہیں۔۔۔۔۔۔

    ;-) :-) ;-)



  • The constitution of Pakistan has clearly laid out the mechanism for interpretation of Islamic injunctions. But that is a whole different discussion.

    The highlight of this Pew Survey is that it has decisively debunked, yet again, the theory that is floated every few years that Islam is forced on people of Pakistan and they actually support secularism.



  • اڈونس جی

    آج بنی سیکولر ین کو کافی مرچیں لگی ہوئی ہیں تو تھوڑا ہاتھ ہولا رکھیں

    مسئلہ وہی ہے جو میں ایک دوسرے دھاگے پر لکھ چکا ہوں کہ بنی سیکولر ین بری طرح ناکام ہو گئے ہیں اور انکو اور انکے خیالات اور عقائد کو پاکستان کے مسلمانوں نے مکمل طور پر مسترد کردیا ہے لیکن یہ مکمل حالت انکار یعنی ڈینائل کا شکار ہیں اور انکی حالت کھسیانی بلی کھمبا نوچے ولی ہو چکی ہے

    یہ تاویلات کے تو بڑے ماہر ہیں لیکن حقائق کا سامنا نہیں کر سکتے اور حقائق منہہ پھاڑے یہ کہہ رہے ہیں کہہ یہ علمی ، سیاسی اور فکری یتیموں کا ٹولہ ہے اور تاریخ کے کوڑے دان میں ڈال دیا گیا ہے

    ف ج



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