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  • قائداعظم نے پاکستان سے نہیں ،بلکہ حکومت برطانیہ سے وفاداری کا حلف اٹھایا تھا ، اس کا مطلب یہ ہوا کہ ایک شخصیت جو آج تک متنازعہ نہ تھی، اسے بھی متنازعہ بنایا جائے۔ شرم تم کو مگر نہیں آتی۔



  • Seems like Altaf bahi finially found the missing pieces in drone.

    :)



  • @pakistan4all

    wonder what was the wording in 1st oath? Any one got link or something?



  • قائداعظم نے تو تین سو بندوں کو قتل کرنے کے احکام دئیے تھے اس لئے مجبوری تھی کہ بادشاہ برطانیہ کے ساتھ وفاداری کا حلف اٹھانا پڑا

    اور قائداعظم تو لیاقت علی سے ڈر کر برطانیہ بھاگ گئے تھے اور پھر وہاں کی شہریت لے لی تھی

    اور بعد میں یہ بھی تاریخ میں لکھا ہے کہ قائداعظم اپنے گزر و اوقات کیلئے کراچی سے اپنے پیروکاروں کے ذریعہ بھتہ اکٹھے کرتے تھے اور کبھی کبھار ٹی وی پر مجرا بھی کر کے دکھاتے تھے

    حیرت ہوتی ہے کہ کراچی کے پڑھے لکھے باشعور عوام تو عالم و فاضل التاپ بائی کی بات کو سمجھتے ہیں لیکن پاکستان کے جاہل عوام خاص طور پر پنجاب کے پینڈو عوام اس معمولی سے بات کو کیوں نہیں سمجھتے ، رہے نا پینڈو کے پینڈو

    ف ج



  • Nusrat Javed said few days ago this present course of 62/63 would also disqualify MA Jinnah to be MP. Even if Judges show little lineancy there this dual nationality will certainly force him out. What can I say he was just lucky. He expired before independence of Judiciary.

    :)



  • Or maybe there wasnt a constitution then which barred him from being a dual national.

    Altaf bhai conveniently misses logic. How "so often" of him.



  • I feel sorry for those so called "educated" who are sitting and clapping on this BS.

    Kalia is trying to defend his current British status with this meaningless bakwas.What a looser A S S O.



  • He has a point if British Passport is an issue why it wasn't for Jinnah? Expat Pakistanis send $15B every year and our Judiciary is barring them from having a say in legislative process. If they can vote why they can't get elected? If MP's spouse or kids has foreign nationality he is equally vulnerable and can be blackmailed.

    The present law makes least sense and Altaf Hussain is right when he reminds us Jinnah had British Passport too. Why no questions on his loyalties?



  • He isnt even tryin to draw a conection. Quaid had a british passport .. alright, then what? You should have one too?

    He never remembers the Quaid when he see's his ministers live a lavish life. He would never reveal the haqayeq which go against him.

    He wont tell u the Quaid didnt have a militant wing and never held Karachi hostage. He wont tell you the Quaid didnt collect bhattas. He wont.



  • @Shirazi

    Which constitution barred the Quaid from keeping a british passport?

    Im just asking. Did the british india act have any such thing?



  • @tsunami bahi

    Constitution is not divine scripture that can't be questioned? Why in constitution we bar dual nationals to hold public offices? Isn't it because of split loyalty? And why that same logic doesn't apply to MA Jinnah?



  • No but Shirazi bhai now a binding constitution is in place. If Altaf has objections, he should strive for a 2/3rd and ammend the script.

    This is technical.

    To determine the political aspect, we would need to know when in time did the Quaid apply for a British passport. Was it after he was disappointed of the Congress and left for vilayat?

    To your question regarding application of same logic for Quaid as well, I think Quaids loyalty to the cause of Muslims is undisputed. Secondly, wouldnt you beleve circumstances of now and then are very different.



  • Quaid e Azam ney british ko laat maari thi jub kay Altaf british ki godi mein ja betha, obvious fact kay aagay senseless logic denay ki koshish kyun ki ja rahi hai? 1951 tuk Quaid zinda rehtay aur apna passport renew kerwaatay tou yeh koi daleel hoti....



  • اگر دہری قومیت اتنا ہی اہم مسئلہ تھا بھائی کیلئے تو بھائی سیدھے سبھاؤ عدالت عظمیٰ میں جا کر درخواست کیوں نہیں دائر کر دیتا اور وہاںپر یہ سارے دلائل دیتا

    کیوں لوگوں کا اتنا وقت اور پیسہ برباد کیا

    کھایا پیا کچھ نہیں .. گلاس توڑا چار آنے

    یعنی لانگ مارچ اور نظام بدلنے سے بڑا مسئلہ اسوقت دہری قومیت کا ہے ، واہ بھائی واہ ، لگتا ہے آج تو شیرازی کے حصے کی کافی بھی پی لی تھی

    یعنی اگر کل کلاں کو سکاٹ لینڈ برطانیہ سے آزادی حاصل کرتا ہے تو آزادی کے بعد سکاٹش رہنماؤں اور سکاٹش لوگوں پر بھی یہ الزام لگے گا کہ ان کے پاس برطانوی قومیت اور پاسپورٹ کیوں تھے . اور تو اور مجیب الرحمان کے بارے میں بنگلہ دیشی حکومت کو تحقیق کرنی چاہئے کہ اس کے پاس پاکستانی پاسپورٹ کیوں تھا اور پاکستانی نیشنیلٹی کیوں تھی

    گھن چکر منطق والی مسکراہٹ کے ساتھ

    ف ج



  • For those who dont know, Quaid's passport was issued in 1946 and was to expire in 1951. In 1946 all of India, Pakistan was issued British passport....now how hard is it understand this simple straight fact? Why twist things to use it for personal gains?



  • Before partition everyone had British Indian passport because it was occupied territory

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Indian_passport

    It's not a revelation

    Quaid also had the same

    http://www.defence.pk/forums/general-images-multimedia/42591-quaid-e-azam-passport-photos.html



  • Respect to every one view,i just want to say,altaf is making fool whole nation,

    First as we all know, that quaid e azam muhammad ali jinnah was born on 25th dececember 1976,(at that time whole india was not independent and called british india)and died on 11 sep 1948, almost one year after we got independence(at that time , we were without any constitutuin).

    Second,even at that time many people were fighting for british in first and second world war, so now according to altaf, you will also call those that they are not pakistani as they fought for british.



  • samrash

    "....now how hard is it understand this simple straight fact? Why twist things to use it for personal gains?"

    please be assured its not for personal gains.......its to ensure repayment of ihsanat of the masters



  • I thought Altaf bahi refered to British passport, not British Indian Passport.

    And passport pr no passport, I think Jinnah's loyalty was divided between Muslims and British Empire - the party he was negotiating with for the rights of Muslims he was trying to represent. It's not undisputed.

    Having a divided loyalty is not necessarily a negative trait. In Islam we allow 4 marriages what's the big deal about nationality.

    :)



  • شیرازی جی

    صحیح صحیح بتائیں کہ بھائی کی کافی میں کیا ملایا تھا ، مزید کافی ملانے کے علاوہ، جو بھائی بہکی بہکی باتیں کر رہا تھا

    ف ج


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