Culture of Pakistan Supports Election based on Party lists!!
sipahi last edited by
Culture of Pakistan Supports Election based on Party lists!!
Instead of election on each constituency, votes should be cast on a party basis in each province. Each party should provide list of people with both men and women. Depending upon the number of votes obtained by each party, proportional representatives should be allocated to each party in both national and provincial assembly.
There are few advantages in this scheme:
1. Parties will be forced to give their clear manifesto.
2. More people will vote as total number of votes for a party means the number of seats in assembly. Thus, participation will increase.
3. "Electable" politics will decrease.
4. Even small parties will have opportunity to get seat(s) in assembly.
5. Cost of election will decrease.
6. Even poor will have opportunity to be in assembly.
7. Parties could be required to have every third person as women in their list.
8. Parties could be required to include youth in their list.
This is not new and is in quite a few countries.
ziamalik last edited by
We need a Presidential form of government, where the president is elected by direct vote and in turn appoints his cabinet members.
The cabinet members don't have to be the members of the Parliament.
azizi last edited by
I’ll also go with Zia M’s suggestion. But before that I would like have a mandatory clause that a winning candidate must have greater than 50% of casted votes. This would require a runoff election in most of the constituencies.
sirizvi92 last edited by
I have suggestion with a little modification in your proposal.
1. Parties should submit thier manifesto and list of candidate to election commission at least six months before the election.
2. Manifesto of each party should have minimum to maximum (set by election commission) points/items covery thier vision and mission.
3. Election commission should compile manifesto of all parties as a verticle list and in columns shows party name support or does not support.
4. Election commission start scrutiny processes as defined in consititution for rejecting or selecting candidate.
5. Election commission should publish that compiled and combined manifesto list along with list of candidate including basic facts about them with constituency # on all type of media one month before poll.
6. On polling day, list of combined manifesto should presented to voter instead of ballot paper, voter should be allowed to select/tick a fix number of item e.g. 10 or 15 (set by election commission) after voter verification.
7. Finally Election commission should calculate top 10 or 15 of items selected by voters in each constituency and declare the winner to that candidate whoses party support maximum number of top 10 select items.
It might be foolish but it is my personal opinion and I feel it would be good tool for the people to monitor the performance of government and each candidate as well, in legislation during thier terms.
sirizvi92 last edited by
The above was an idea for existing system, but I would strongly support Zia M proposal along with Azizi additional condition.
What will u do for the citadels of Jinnah,s soul.
He categorically said on 11th August 1947 that Pakistan would be a parliamentary democracy,never be presidential one in any case.
Proportional representation (or elections on party lists) usually result in hung parliaments and coalition governments with quick turnover of governing alliances and little stability. Moreover, it concentrates too much power in the hands of party leadership.
In my opinion. the requirement of 50% votes in each constituency for the winner or even a presidential form of government is a much better alternative for Pakistan than elections on party list basis.
Presidential System isn't a suitable system for Pakistani Culture... People like Mumtaz Qadri,Hamid Gull and Hafiz Saeed or AQ Khan can sweep election for more polarization only on one agenda and tht is
I'll promulgate the Khilafate....
Remember Zia's election
@@@@@@Admin... I'm still facing problem to post..I've sent requests to u for membership but still no avail...
I will promulgate Khilafat...
Remember Zia,s Election.
What a great Caliphate...
Due to such follies,u r not given membership yet.Its an intellectual discussion forum.U must find some ISPR forum for such kidding.
Though in its true spirit,Democracy is 180 degree away from Islam,yet we can say about presidential sysem that its not entirely anti-islamic (It could be made maximum 50% Islamic)because it guarentees separation of powers.So no Tom, Diick or Herry can be a legislator.
Parliamentary system has also produced plenty of polarization. It is a weakness of current first past the post system that PPP after winning only 38% votes in 1970 sweeps the elections and PML-N after winning only 46% votes in 1997 gets a 2/3rd majority.
Presidential system can result in election of imbeciles like George Bush Jr but so can any other system.
The bottom line is whoever comes to power should have backing of a majority of voters. If a majority of Pakistanis want to elect Hameed Gul or Mumtaz Qadri, so be it.
Polarization started from Zia era and tht was the fruit of Presidential election ( Though he came by force but later he was elected as President),, 50% majority In parliamentary election cn b gain only in two Party system bt there r many Parties in Pakistan..
Presidential system is a one man show that may b result in Mumtaz Qadri's wining,
Pakistanis culture is so amateur tht a Party can get over 1 crore votes just cuz of sympathetic votes,
Pakistanis may vote on temporarily emotions and religious grounds they can vote on so-called laptop schemes, youth festivals but not on constructive basis and ths may result in Mumtaz Qadri as President,and it may leads to totally failure of current system into Khilafete system.....
Turkey's GOVT system may a role model for all Muslim countries...
I like Caliphate
Caliphate of Zia,s Election.
Zia was elected as president.
He aired polarization.
Ardgan,s Turkey is a role model for Khilafat
(Perhaps becoz its forces r fighting in Afghanistan)
This Khilafat train seems to go towards Obama at White House
"Presidential system is a one man show that may b result in Mumtaz Qadri's wining,"
But at the same time that brings the accountability and authority for the ruler. Aren't we have seen enough wonders of 52B? Secondly, if Mumtaz Qadri gets the majority why he should be deprived of power? Isn't in democracy it's the majority that matters? why democracy must be be a liberal majority?
"Pakistanis culture is so amateur tht a Party can get over 1 crore votes just cuz of sympathetic votes,"
Isn't this happening in current scenario? What difference will this make if same happen in presidential system?
"Mumtaz Qadri as President,and it may leads to totally failure of current system into Khilafete system....."
Again, if majority wants Khilafat in Pakistan and they vote for that, then why not? Why democracy is a bad thing when Brotherhood or Ahkwwan comes to power through the system but a wonderful thing when liberal secular forces get their way.
@Zia M: "We need a Presidential form of government, where the president is elected by direct vote and in turn appoints his cabinet members.
The cabinet members don't have to be the members of the Parliament. "
And that will help ending the "lota cracy" as well. Secondly, that will give a chance for government and the ruler to put the best person on job not that have to pick one from the sheep lot in parliament.
Around the world in parliamentarian system Prime Minister is the strongest guy, in Pakistan PM is a hand pick by party leader who in most cases can not take decisions on his own on daily bases but get the full blame for failures. With presidential system at least we know the person at top has the power and is accountable for the good or bad.
Majority in Pakistan is nothing but on emotions and temporarily basis... We've seen it during Bhutto when Religious clerics used religious emotions which led to Zia's cop, Gen.Ayub was also ousted on these grounds and thn we had Yahyaa......
We hate ths system cuz ths system is totally controlled by Feudalism and dynastic politic ,
Need is to improve Parliamentary system, if we get rid of only two evils, Family(dynastic Politics) and Feudalism thn Parliamentary system can definitely fruitful, literacy rate will increase which leads to maturity in choices for People,
Illiteracy, feudalism etc are all excuses given by those who do not like the popular choice. Similar reasons were given by those who opposed the right of vote for women and black.
Democracy is simply one person one vote. Whatever the majority of people decide, the minority has to accept that. If a minority tries to impose its ideals on the majority, it results in violence and bloodshed.
One may not agree with the choice of the majority but one can not take away the right of the majority to choose.
azizi last edited by
I would like to clarify that presidential system suggested by Zia M must have some kind of regional weight. Measures should be taken that a presidential candidate must win from majority of regions (regions, with a mix of rural and urban votes, even more granular than the existing provinces). Otherwise, a candidate from Punjab will always be on the front. A theoretical/ virtual electoral college similar to United States Constitution is a good starting point.
"Majority in Pakistan is nothing but on emotions and temporarily basis... "
That is the case around the world. Bush Jr get re-elected on ashes of 9/11. Obama get elected elected on emotion of Change, Angela Merkel get elected on his campaign against multiculturalism. What is new if this is happening in Pakistan?
Presidential system may leads to tyranny as we've seen in some Muslim countries like Egypt, Tunisia etc
Imagine we elect Nawaz Sharif or Zardari as President thn whole cabinet may b consist on Sharif or Bhutto family, thn their will no end till real tehre-e-squire in Islam Abad
That is the case around the world. Bush Jr get re-elected on ashes of 9/11. Obama get elected elected on emotion of Change, Angela Merkel get elected on his campaign against multiculturalism. What is new if this is happening in Pakistan<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
There r differences in maturity of choices in Pakistan and USA.....Plz don't compare Pakistan with USA
Illiteracy, feudalism etc are all excuses given by those who do not like the popular choice. Similar reasons were given by those who opposed the right of vote for women and black.<<<<<<<<<<<
Popular choice isn't free of mind choice in case of Feudalism or Gaddi Nasheen system,
People cast their vote in influance of their masters or Peers