A Muslm Will Never Kill A Muslim?



  • But


    • Muslims Killed Hazrat Usman and Hazrat Ali

    • Battle of Siffin between Hazrat Ali and Ameer Muawiya

    • Battle of Jamal between Hazrat Ali and Hazrat Ayesha

    • Yazeed killed Imam Hussain

    • Yazeed butchered Abdullah Ibn Zubair resulting in destruction of kaaba

    • The Abbasids fought against Umayads

    • Salahdin Ayyubi Attacked Fatimids

    • Arabs Attacked Persians

    • Safavid Shias killed Persian Sunnis

    • Zaheer ud din Babar Killed Ibrahim Lodhi

    • Aurangzeb Alamgir killed his own Brothers

    • Selim I of Ottoman Empire ordered the massacre of 40,000 Anatolian Shias

    • General Niazi commited a mass genocide against Bengalis in East Pakistan

    • Saddam Hussein's Iraq attacked Ayatollah Khomeni's Iran

    • King Hussein of Jordan and General Zia ul haq Bombed Palestinians during Black September

    • Ali Hassan used Chemical Weapons against Iraqi Kurds of North and Shias of Southern Iraq

    • Taliban Conducted Ethnic Cleansing of Hazara shias

    and even today Lashkar e Jhangvi is slaughtering Shias in Pakistan While Bashar Al Assad Bombs Sunnis in Syria on regular basis

    Yet after 1400 years of bloodshed, today we still dare to say that No Muslim can kill fellow Muslim. From the beginning Muslims have been at war with themselves and we must admit that!

    جتنے مارے ہیں مسلمان ، مسلمانوں نے

    ساری دنیا نے بھی مل کرنہیں مارے ہوں گے



  • Not a tree falls without knowledge and permission of Creator.

    When Some Muslim kill Muslim or Non Muslim kill Muslim or Non Muslim or whatever it is all Creator that kills not man. Man is just a tool to HIS command.



  • @Javed Sheikh

    Fooling in the name of religion is the biggest business in today's Muslim world. Millions of Pakistanis don't know (at all) about the terrible atrocities including rapes were committed by Gen Tiger Niazi troops in East Pakistan. Head in the sand approach and never-admitting truth attitude are main reasons for today's plight of Pakistani society.



  • @Abdul Rahman

    Salam

    So what should be done to that man who kills another man at HIS command?

    Why killing is so common in Muslim societies?



  • ST,

    What are you smoking? Need statistics about which societies have the highest killings? Just watch local TV and see the mayhem.



  • @AR

    I don't smoke anything; but in today's socieities majority of Muslim countries have more problems, fighting, violence, lawlessness, killings and extremism.

    Do you feel unsafe walking in your city? Trust me I don't.



  • The problem is that all Arab dynasties have been wrongly attributed to Muslim glories. The Arab kings just happened to be Muslims, but what they all did was completely unbecoming of true Muslims, let alone a caliph. All Umayyads and Abbasids, with a few exceptions, were typical monarchs, who killed their own during power struggles.

    If we want to portray these as Muslim dynasties or Caliphate, then we must also accept the ugly bloodshed that comes with it.



  • Arain,

    Please google Carly Fiorina ex CEO HP about the greatness of Islamic civilization. They were heriditary monarchs as you rightly said but they were far superior to any contemporary civilization of that period until 19 th century. Their tolerance was exemplary and recognized by friends and foe albeit they were not orthodox caliphs.



  • @AR Saab

    "Not a tree falls without knowledge and permission of Creator.

    When Some Muslim kill Muslim or Non Muslim kill Muslim or Non Muslim or whatever it is all Creator that kills not man. Man is just a tool to HIS command."

    
    Are you saying blame Allah not Muslims as they are merely following his commands?


  • God is perfect and doesn't err and no one dare blames Him. It is not blame but destiny when it comes to Creator. You blame humans not Creator. Some behave arrogantly and are destined to die by His command.

    Anything bad happens is your own earnings.



  • @AR

    "When Some Muslim kill Muslim or Non Muslim kill Muslim or Non Muslim or whatever it is all Creator that kills not man. Man is just a tool to HIS command."

    What a theory??

    So by this theory, Nauzobillah , if Allah (SWT) uses man to kill man then HE cannot punish killer, since man did not kill of his own will but just followed HIS command.

    This is the same theory used by Yazid and his supporters.



  • Rahman jee

    "Not a tree falls without knowledge and permission of Creator.

    When Some Muslim kill Muslim or Non Muslim kill Muslim or Non Muslim or whatever it is all Creator that kills not man. Man is just a tool to HIS command"

    بڑا عمدہ فلسفہ ہے آپکا - لوگوں کو مارتے جائو اور اللہ میاں کے کھاتے میں ڈالتے جاءو

    ویسے اس فلسفے کے مطابق کیا وہ تمام لوگ جو عراق اور افغاستان اور ڈرون حملوں میں مارے گیے' آپ نے اللہ میاں کے کھاتے میں نہیں ڈال دئیے؟



  • @adnak Jee

    AR is a renown and highly acclaimed scholar of Encyclopedia Moronica under the auspices and guidance of The Lady of Shalott Ms Carly Fiorina.

    :)



  • "Nauzobillah , if Allah (SWT) uses man to kill man then HE cannot punish killer, since man did not kill of his own will but just followed HIS command."

    Allah does guide every human being but human being himself invites such wrath and punishment through his deeds. If Allah willed evey human will attain salvation but that is not the case. It is pre-destined and has to do with outcome of deeds. When a man made damn computer can forecast events, what about the Creator of heavens and the earth?



  • @AR

    Allah (SWT) is All Knowing but that does not means that He controls the actions of man.

    Can you answer couple of specific multiple choice questions. This will help me understand your Philosophy.

    Based on your theory, who used bomb to kill in Karachi?

    a) A true believer of Islam, doing his duty to Allah (SWT).

    b) A misguided muslim.

    c) A Takfiri.

    d) Other

    Based on your theory, the reason why the ones who died or injured?

    a) Zulm by the bomber, who killed on his free will

    b) Was punishment of Allah (SWT) for the deeds of dead and injured

    c) Other



  • ""If Allah willed evey human will attain salvation but that is not the case. It is pre-destined and has to do with outcome of deeds. When a man made damn computer can forecast events, what about the Creator of heavens and the earth?


    Here you are mixing two different things.Predestination is not the same thing as knowing in advance.

    I also believe, we live in a deterministic universe.

    If one believes in predestination then the idea of punishment and reward goes out of the window.



  • You are right Zia M jee.

    Rahman jee did not have any answer to the points raised by me, otherwise he reponds without any delay.



  • رحمان بھائی کے لئے ایک شعر جو غنڈوں میں پھس گے

    زمانہ سخت کم آزار ہے، بہ جانِ رحمان

    وگرنہ ہم تو توقعّ زیادہ رکھتے ہیں

    :) :)



  • خدا کی قدرت ہے کہ شریفوں کو غنڈا ' ان پڑھوں کو عالم ' قاتلوں کو خدا کے اوزار ' بزدلوں کو بہادر ' اور احمقوں کو باتدبیر کہا جانے لگ گیا ہے

    مگر ڈر جی' انکو آپ نے رضیہ کیسے سمجھ لیا؟



  • خوفی بھائی یہ جواب تو آپ کو دینا پڑےگا، غنڈوں کی تو خیر ہے وہ آپ سے خود نپٹ لیں گیں ، لیکن آپ نے رحمن صاحب کو کس کھاتے میں رضیہ سمجھ لیا ؟

    ;)