Saudi Arabia executes 47 including prominent Shiite cleric
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Do you support his execution or are you against it?
@Waseem CA Sahib
How can I oppose terrorists being executed? Of course support it.
إِنَّا للهِ وَإِنَّـا إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعونَ
History is full of persecution of friends of Ali ibne Abi Talib for raising a voice against injustice. One of the first one happened when Abu Dhar Ghafarri was exiled for telling truth.
Prophet of Islam is reported to have said, "Neither has the sky shaded one more truthful and honest than Abu Dhar nor has the earth had anyone walk over it like him. (In these matters) he is like Isa bin Maryam." (From Tirmidhi.)
There were persecutions of men & women alike, all along the dynasties of Muslims, which also included crucification of friends of Ali ibne Abi Talib.
This persecution is not going to end, but it makes the friends of Ali ibne Abi Talib stronger in their faith and speaking truth even at risk of losing life.
Sheikh just raised his voice against injustices and led unarmed protest marches of men and women during the time of Arab Spring. Those who call him terrorists either have an agenda or are completely ignorant.
Specially those who support freedom of speech and support this execution are nothing but hypocrite. IK has used much stronger language against Pakistani government during his dharna compared to the speeches of Sheikh.
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@Shirazi sahib : I am not a shia and personally I dislike their religious doctrines and culture of self molestation but I am against executing their clerics. This has to stop we cannot just go on a killing spree and kill each other by declaring the other as terrorist. I am sorry but I am against " Death penalties " and capital executions/punishments.
@Waseem CA Sahib
I am also not Shia, I am color blind to these sectarian or religious associations. But I have no tears to waste on this Shia cleric or other terrorists like Curiosity bhai. I am glad when these fundoos, Shias or Sunnis kill or execute each other.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say what ever trash you want on TV like Hameed Gul or Zaid Hamid and never send your kids to Jihad. I am against Soud family - they are among the biggest sponsors of terrorism in the world but when they kill fellow mafias who are doing religious politics why would I shed tears.
Friends of Ali
Hahahaha ... Ali, Usman, Umar, they all themselves were terrorists. Don't be surprised if there friends are bracketed with them.
" But I have no tears to waste on this Shia cleric or other terrorists like Curiosity bhai. I am glad when these fundoos, Shias or Sunnis kill or execute each other."
Good to find out those who have hidden agenda of causing Sunnis and Shias to kill each other, just like the Royal family of KSA and when they talk about freedom of speech, they are nothing but hypocrite..
Thank you for self-identification.
@Waseem CA Sahib
I dislike their religious doctrines and culture of self molestation
What do you mean by self molestation? Are you referring to what they do during moharaam, walking on fireballs and banging their chests?
BTW what are your views on fasting that both Shias and Sunis do? Isn't that self molestation?
Also, could you please elaborate what religious doctrines you dislike? I thought differences between Shias and Sunnis were political - Ali should have replaced Mohammad and not Abu Bakar. Since that didn't happen Friends of Ali decided not to give tax/zakat. What other differences bothers you. Please don't tell me mutah because after reading Khalifa al Baghdadi's recent fatwa it seems like sunis are only uncomfortable with incest - everything else is kosher for them.
Everyone here knows how much I share the vision of Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and and how much you share the vision of Islamic Republic of Iran?
حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ مُحَمَّدٍ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو الْحُسَيْنِ، أَخَبَرَنِي حَمَّادُ بْنُ سَلَمَةَ، عَنْ عَلِيِّ بْنِ زَيْدِ بْنِ جُدْعَانَ، عَنْ عَدِيِّ بْنِ ثَابِتٍ، عَنِ الْبَرَاءِ بْنِ عَازِبٍ، قَالَ أَقْبَلْنَا مَعَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ فِي حَجَّتِهِ الَّتِي حَجَّ فَنَزَلَ فِي الطَّرِيقِ فَأَمَرَ الصَّلاَةَ جَامِعَةً فَأَخَذَ بِيَدِ عَلِيٍّ فَقَالَ " أَلَسْتُ أَوْلَى بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ مِنْ أَنْفُسِهِمْ " . قَالُوا بَلَى . قَالَ " أَلَسْتُ أَوْلَى بِكُلِّ مُؤْمِنٍ مِنْ نَفْسِهِ " . قَالُوا بَلَى . قَالَ " فَهَذَا وَلِيُّ مَنْ أَنَا مَوْلاَهُ اللَّهُمَّ وَالِ مَنْ وَالاَهُ اللَّهُمَّ عَادِ مَنْ عَادَاهُ " .
It was narrated that Bara' bin 'Azib said:
"We returned with the Messenger of Allah from his Hajj that he had performed, and we stopped at some point on the road. He commanded that prayer should be performed in congregation, then he took the hand of 'Ali and said: 'Am I not dearer to the believers than their own selves?' They said: 'Yes indeed.' He said: 'Am I not dearer to every believer than his own self?' They said: 'Yes indeed.' **He said: 'This man is the friend of those whose master I am.' O Allah, take as friends those who take him as a friend, and take as enemies those who take him as an enemy.'"
Allah Shukr to be Friend of Ali ibne Abi Talib
Enemies of Ali ibne Abi Talib are enemies of Allah SWT per Prophet of Islam.
For those who want to the Creator to be their enemy that's the freedom given in Islam. Enjoy your freedom, nothing but a rope extended for them till a time known to the Creator.
First of all this master slave language used by prophet or Allah or whoever is derogatory and out dated. Secondly I forgot to mention in my earlier post Prophet himself was terrorist, no wonder his friends and wanna be friends fall in same category. Ali, unfortunately, was no exception.
Was this cleric Iranian national? It's like Pakistanis reacting on JI leaders being hanged in Bangladesh. Instead of these protests Iran should hang couple of Suni molvis too. Eye for an eye - Molvi for molvi ...
Intellectually honest people will ask a question, what terrorist activity did he commit? And then they will investigate the truth.
Rest are not intellectually honest, if they call him terrorist just because KSA says so.
" I forgot to mention in my earlier post Prophet himself was terrorist, no wonder his friends and wanna be friends fall in same category. Ali, unfortunately, was no exception."
Since the Creator called Prophet of Islam as Rehmat Ul Alameen, why hesitant to use "t" word for the Creator?
Great thing about the system of Creator that in this world you have freedom to use any derogatory word for anyone!
Well I kept 'creator' out of this terror business because creator is nothing but a boogeyman created by terrorists. But if you insist not to overlook him then the whole idea of hell is the worst possible form of terrorism? Snakes, Acids, Fire - what kind of sick sadist devise these fantasies.
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"Sheikh just raised his voice against injustices and led unarmed protest marches of men and women during the time of Arab Spring. Those who call him terrorists either have an agenda or are completely ignorant.
Specially those who support freedom of speech and support this execution are nothing but hypocrite. IK has used much stronger language against Pakistani government during his dharna compared to the speeches of Sheikh."
I would like to point out that:
If the laws of a country prohibit demonstrations and especially if they are against the government of that country then any one who lives in that country must respect that law and refrain from doing anything against the laws and if done then must be prepared to face the consequences.
Same applies to your example of IK's dharnas. IK's dharnas were staged in Pakistan and not in Saudi Arabia. Ik would not have dared to do such a thing in Saudi Arabia.
@Curiousity and Shirzi (Both)
Religion and religious beliefs are something very personal to every individual and it is something between an individual and God. An individual is best advised to keep his beliefs to himself and not publish these on a public forum with a view of convincing others that his/her religious beliefs are the right ones or even superior to others beliefs. Such an exercise cause un-necessary unhappiness and does not achieve anything.
End of my sermon!!
Saudi Arab like Iran is a police state. They have zero tolerance on anyone criticizing the state. That's they reason they arrested Zaid Hamid few months ago. If this Shia molvi was arousing rebellion against state how is he any different than Moulana Aziz of Lal Masjid. He was just unlucky there was no Ch. Nisar at helm in Saudi Arabia.
Molvis killing molvis is like gangsters being killed in gang war. In this sectarian war fare I don't have a favorite horse. I will be happy if they kill each other instead of killing innocents or inciting violence against innocents - the ones who have no interest in sectarian politics.
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"If this Shia molvi was arousing rebellion against state how is he any different than Moulana Aziz of Lal Masjid. He was just unlucky there was no Ch. Nisar at helm in Saudi Arabia."
Please note that the Shia Molvi did this whilst he was in Saudi Arabia whereas Maulana Aziz did it in Pakistan. Pakistan and Saud Arabia are two different countries and are miles apart from each other. Please do not compare Plums with Mangoes!!
I like your sermon. It looks like your new year resolution is to rise above pity back and forth and spread some wisdom.
I fully endorse your other point. There are many laws in KSA that I don't like. We can criticize them from outside but those who are inside they have to live by those laws. It's not just Saudi Arabia or Iran - this basic principle applies to almost every country in the world. Some are more tolerant than others but you don't test their tolerance levels unless you are willing to pay the price. Zaid Hamid found it hard way. This cleric wasn't so lucky.
Another interesting thing - when Bangladesh hangs Jimmatis Ch. Nisar and IK send love letters and open letters to Hassina Wajid but when Saudis hang our stance is Saudi Arabia's internal matter.
Saudi FM landed in Pakistan to tell us what are their expectations from us in 34 nation alliance that they announced few weeks ago. I won't be surprised if these 47 executions never come up during bilateral talks. After all it's not India or Bangladesh that executed those Jiahdis.
I am not comparing Plums and Mangoes. I understand Moulana Aziz is establishment's dog. There are many establishment's dog in Saudi Arabia who flourish like Moulana Aziz and then there are some like this cleric and Waseem CA's favorite Ludhanvi Sahib who see stick more than the carrot.