Cantonment Board Election



  • Hi everyone.Today which party is going to lead the Cantonment board election.Major competition is between PTI vs PMLN. It seems that it is golden chance for PTI to prove their dominance as they bagged major chunks of votes in the Cantt areas of Pindi and Lahore in General Elections 2013



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  • For the kind information of Sweet-heart sahib, MQM swept in Karachi Zone Cantonment Baldyati election and PML-N swept throughout Pakistan.

    Now, what is your take?



  • @imtiazahmed

    I said that it is a golden chance to prove their dominance...I never said that they are surely going to win.PPP was the the main loser of last day.Even MQM(only karachi and Hyderabad based) is ahead of this charon sobon ki zanjeer.Now it seems that PTI will be out of competition in Sindh and Punjab LG election.There will be some fight in Punjab but PMLN will be the ultimate winner.Someone said that PTI lost on its home pitch.



  • sweet-truth

    Now PTI will lose on every front, for her voters and supporters know the reality of PTI quite well. Specially of its leadership.



  • Cantonments areas are known as hub of elite/posh class and upper middle class, who prefer to sent children in Kasuri schools like Beacon House and The Educator. Before Cantonment Board elections it was common myth that Pasha Party will easily sweep as these posh/elite areas are den of Pasha Party BGs.

    Results are surprising as Pasha Party lost miserably including province of their governance KPK where begged 33% seats only. PML N did remark able in Burger Zone. Reason seems servants of Burger Class did not go for their employee and voted against Burger Class masters.

    In Punjab Pasha Party lost in all strong holds less Taxila and Wah. Taxila and Wah are extreme high gentry areas.

    In Sindh Pasha Party is following PML N. If add two candidates who were pitched late in Karachi by PML N and both won, PML N 7 seats makes it 2nd largest party in Sindh (otherwise third after PPP).

    In Baluchistan, no political party less PML N took any seat.

    These results can easily be said that PML N is only political party having roots in all provinces.

    Message for Pasha Party BGs " RO ELZAAM NIAIZ RO".



  • @pakistan_21

    Someone said on a forum that cantonment board election proved 2 things.

    (1) PMLN is only Punjab Based Party

    (2) PTI is only party with roots in all 4 provinces.

    Even now some PTI friends are calling it a good performance citing that PTI is Ist times in Local Bodies election.



  • Idiot do analysis on fantasies and intellectual carry out analysis on facts.

    @sweet_heart see result card, read comments above and find reality of both wrong intuitions.

    PML N lead Pasha Party in all provinces less Pasha Party ruled KPK. Moreover, election was in posh areas, may term it home ground for Pasha Party Burger Culture.



  • @Zindadil Saab

    I know in Pindi campaign was in under party symbols. PPP don't have much presence in urban centers so it's not surprising they did so bad. I don't think they have any vote bank left beyond rural Sindh. I was more surprised with PTI's dismal show. In national elections they did pretty h=good in Pindi. In NA 54 (Cantt. seat) their candidate lost but barely by 10k. But yesterday their lost 19/20 seats to PMLN. Even in Lahore they were slightly better won 5 seats but lost 15 to PMLN. The 42/199 is misleading. They won mostly in KPK - that's not good enough. We know they have solid support base in KPK - but all their rigging complaints are Punjab centric and they did very poor in Punjab. Even MQM won 16/32 - I thought they 'd win 25/32 in Karachi.



  • @Shirazi Jee,

    Do you know, what is the socio-economic ladder in most of the cantonment wards?



  • Generally speaking they are better off than dense urban centers. In Pindi Cantt where I used to live it's predominately GHQ country, people who work or retired from Army. That's the reason Ejaz ul Haq picked that constituency and frankly I thought IK 'd do better there but 1/20 is very alarming for Insafi brigade. My every military relative ex or in service supports Imran Khan - quite a few even went to his sit-ins but I guess they don't go to polling stations.



  • salam

    though PTI couldn't win significant no. of seats but still they can take many positives out of it. firstly the margin of defeat on many seats hasn't been big. even in Lahore where they lost with narrow margin on many seats.. independents who have won in KPK will join pti and those in punjab will shake hands with pml n..actually PTI is undergoing some internal rifts and clashes. justice wajih ud din is not obeying imran's instructions, they need to organize themselves atleast imran khan should lower the level of his arrogance and now in saad rafique's constituency their rigging allegations were proved wrong.....despite mqm's victory in khi, still pti has room over there they have vote bank.. they just need solid organisation at grass root level, they need to educate their workers and teach them discpline...

    May ALLAH bless Pakistan and Pakistanis.



  • salam

    In Pindi Cantt where I used to live it's predominately GHQ country, people who work or retired from Army.

    shirazi sahab

    if i just make a friendly guess u were probably the resident of chaklala scheme 3 or somewhere in askari (I, II....) :)

    May ALLAH bless Pakistan and Pakistanis



  • @UKPaki1 bhai

    I was close to GHQ but not that close.

    -;)



  • ukpaki bahi

    "justice wajih ud din is not obeying imran's instructions"

    isn't disgusting that IK is refusing to face the process of law setup by himself. Justice Wajih ud din is one of most honourable judges who refused to take oath under PCO and hence didn't become CJ of Pakistan where he would have been for something like 8 years.



  • @Shirazi Jee,

    "Generally speaking they are better off than dense urban centers. "

    Thanks.

    That could be one of the reason why PPP didn't do good on whole and MQM not as good in Karachi. Since Clifton, Mamora, etc. are upper scale areas.



  • So what was really achieved by these polls?

    Military still overrules!!!

    As a continuity of ‘doctrine of intervention’ introduced by former chief justice of Pakistan that kept forcing reluctant governments to implement the top court’s orders, the local bodies elections are now finally being held on April 25, 2015 in all cantonment boards of Pakistan.

    Important administrative as well as political activities that should actually be contributing for the development and growth of the institutions have unnecessarily been shelved by the successive governments and the 17 years stalemate where no local bodies elections were held in the cantonment boards is demonstrative of a sluggish and ‘at leisure’ political mentality and mindset that prevails in our country.

    At the heart of matter in the cantonment board elections is the kind of representation it entails. Any cantonment board comprises 25 members of whom 12 are elected civilians and 12 are selected (nominated) civilian and military officers with the Station Commander acting as the President who enjoys the veto power. The structure of any Cantonment Board is designed to be military-friendly and thus elections which should actually be representing democracy and thus subjecting the devolution of power and control in the hands of the people are actually only a formality. The balance of power in these boards has an inherent military tilt and no matter how fair and free elections are held those that are elected to become the members of the board are in competition and at odds with the chosen (nominated) members of the board. At worst the complete board and its recommendations and consensus might turn to naught if the Station Commander chooses to veto them. Is it then wrong to say that the local bodies elections in Cantonment Boards continue to represent a ‘military guided and constituted’ democracy?

    The permanent military stations that we call Cantonments today are not the British created garrisons that used to house the troops and their military and civilian facilities. They have expanded and grown over a period of time to include significant civilian population as well as their interests. The Cantonment Act, 1924 is considered a landmark act as it introduced local bodies system because of which people’s representatives could become members of the board. But is it only the presence of the members in the board that should be viewed as a landmark achievement or their empowerment and ability to address the concerns of the growing civilian population that look up to them for providing them the essential services and addressing their complaints in their local body constituency? It is no rocket science to understand that most civilian complaints are directed against the excesses committed by the military and the board itself is so military biased that the decision-making is always subjected to the military influence. After all we are dealing here with the prime land and even a small piece of land when sold brings in huge dividends to the shareholders.

    The separate identity that the Cantonment Boards carry is the legacy of the ‘Gora Sahab’. Even today elders in the family refer to the railway tracks and the bridges that they constructed and which still continue to serve us. We may be poor and lack of funds may be a reason for not putting up anything better than what ‘Gora Sahab’ did for us but are we intellectually also so poor that we cannot change and amend the Gora introduced acts that do not go with the conditions that exist on ground today? All Cantonments come under the Federal Government whereas the devolution of power means that it is the provinces that should be empowered. Should then the Cantonments be federally represented? Take the example of the Karachi Cantonment. If, hypothetically speaking, a majority of the members from PML-N win elections will they be focusing on the development and providing services to the people of the ward from where they were elected? Or will the development in the Cantonment be uniform? After all the devolution of power means the availability of funds at the grass root level and if the member finds himself constrained what service is he going to provide to the people through the local body that he represents?

    Another important aspect of the Cantonment Boards is that majority of area under these boards falls in the rural areas called wards (constituencies) from where members are elected. Most of these members are neither sufficiently educated nor have the slightest clue about the huge development schemes/works or the budgetary allocations of such work that are centrally undertaken by the big Cantonments like Karachi, Lahore and Islamabad.

    Another mindboggling aspect of the current local body’s elections being held in the Cantonments is that though the concept of these elections is similar to the local body’s elections yet the local bodies elections are not being held while the elections in the Cantonment Boards are being held all across the country. As a part of devolution process the funds are transferred from the MNAs to the MPAs and then to the local bodies. How will the system run if we have the cart but not the horse? Holding party based (candidates are representing political parties) cantonment board elections without the local body’s elections being held country wide is only likely to create a political void.

    The good news is that polling will be held in 42 Cantonment Boards and their 199 wards. Though the elections being held are not on party basis yet the candidates are being supported by the political parties and this yet again after the by-elections in NA-246 gives the opportunity to the politicians to claim their party’s popularity at the grass root level when the results of the elections are finally announced on April 28.

    (The writer is a retired lieutenant colonel of the Pakistan Army and is currently pursuing PhD in civil-military relations from the University of Karachi)



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  • After all the rigging hue and cry in NA 125 where Hamid Khan lost to Saad Rafique by 40k margin PMLN bagged 9 out of 10 wards that fall under NA 125. Even worst in Pindi where PTI lost all Cantonment 20 wards. PMLN won 19 and JI one. These elections made Judicial Tribunal's job easier.



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