French President backs veil ban



  • Nicolas Sarkozythe jew, the French president, has spoken out in favour of a full ban on the face-covering veil as the government draws up a law to prohibit the garment in public spaces.

    According to a government spokesman, Sarkozy told a cabinet meeting on Wednesday that the veil "hurts the dignity of women and is not acceptable in French society".

    Luc Chatel added that a bill banning the veil, also known as niqab, from all public spaces, would be presented to ministers in May.

    "We're legislating for the future. Wearing a full veil is a sign of a community closing in on itself and a rejection of our jewish values," he said.

    'Rising hostility'

    The proposal has attracted both fierce criticism and praise in the home of the largest Muslim community in the 27-member European Union.

    Almost 10 per cent of France's 62 million population is Muslim.

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    Most French voters back a ban, polls have shown, but legal experts have warned that it could violate the constitution.

    Many feminists from France's poor, multi-ethnic suburbs have spoken out in support of a ban, saying it could help young women who did not want to wear the veil but were forced to do so by their partners or families.

    Others, however, see the ban as part of a rising hostility against Islam and its symbols, and argue that many Muslim women actually want to cover up.

    The debate has spread as far as Afghanistan, where some women's rights activists expressed outrage at the French proposal, saying they disliked the burqa but women should be free to wear whatever they wanted.

    The vast majority of Muslim women, in France and elsewhere, do not wear a full veil, but the niqab, which covers the face apart from the eyes, is widely worn on the Arabian peninsular and in the Gulf states.

    Belgium bill

    The burqa, a shapeless full-body cloak that covers the face with a fabric grille, is worn in some areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan.

    In France, the garments are widely identified with fundamentalist strains of Islam and with the isolation and repression of women in some communities, and politicians suspect their use is spreading.

    "We're not going to let this phenomenon drift," Chatel said.

    France's neighbour Belgium is also preparing legislation, and could become the first European country to ban the full veil when a bill goes before parliament during a plenary session that starts on Thursday.



  • @Migel9

    Why you are highlighting 'Jew' in this thread title? It is a racist attitude painting French President as a Jew even if he is. Kindly edit by removing the word Jew from the title.



  • I wanted high light his ethnic background.just like ISLAMIC TERRORISM..Will remove.



  • After no response from you thread title has been revised as 'French President backs veil ban'. Offensive word has been removed.



  • "Nicolas Sarkozythe jew, the French president, has spoken out in favour of a full ban on the face-covering veil as the government draws up a law to prohibit the garment in public spaces."

    @Migel9: What is your complaint over veil ban, just out of interest? You have not become champion of human rights suddenly by any chance?



  • Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Those who subscribe to secularism should come forward and explain actions of secular or non-Muslim regimes. They go on with this kind of nonsense in their land without any words from people within our ranks. While these same people don't waste anytime in lamenting us on our decisions, actions, etc etc.

    We are witnessing open acts of intolerance from them against us/Muslims.

    Why don't the people among us, who subscribe to secularism, who hide behind the word 'liberal';

    (1) denounce their intolerance, now ?

    Why do they label us!, Muslims to be the only intolerant people on this earth ?


    Mirza sb. please restore the original title of this thread.

    This is a significant topic.



  • Quote:

    "Almost 10 per cent of France's 62 million population is Muslim."

    They will be able to overrule this Law where they become 51% of French population and then France could be turned into an Islamic State through majority vote.



  • so a minority will never get their basic right?



  • Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Javed Sheikh sb. Did you know;

    (1) Muslims are 6% in France ?

    (2) Muslims are not allowed to have representation in France ?

    • Why don't you say France is intolerant ?

    • Why doesn't France grant them;

    (a) their rights ?

    (b) the right to religious freedom ?

    (c) the right to have representation ?

    Why should Muslims wait to become a majority to have rights ?

    Why then do you support those who ask for minority rights in Pakistan ?

    What are your true intentions ?



  • spot on Haris Khan!



  • Those who support human rights violations most in Pakistan are the ones complaining of the same in other countries. What an irony.



  • Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Look who's talking. The one who goes against impartial, across the board, FAST!, non-discriminatory justice.



  • Rights are according to the Constitution, based upon traditions and culture of the Land.

    Would Saudi Arabia allow the 'basic right' of driving an automobile, to all women?



  • Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Javed Sheikh sb. Wrong analogy. Wrong! example.

    Why do you run for KSA when you know it is being ruled over by puppets backed by heavy military presence of west in or around KSA ?

    P.S. I didn't ask you for diplomacy. I asked questions to get answers from you.



  • Bad counter argument! "Those who support human rights violations..........

    Talk about the enlightened west which the thread topic!



  • Difference are two:

    1. Saudi Arabia is an autocratic type of govt. and France is the cradle of the Western liberalism and freedom.

    2. The French ban the veil because they believe the idea behind it is underlying fundamentalism. OK, but based on what?



  • Quote:

    They will be able to overrule this Law where they become 51% of French population and then France could be turned into an Islamic State through majority vote. ....

    does Secularism dont have the spirite to absorb all the religions???

    If not as it is clear than the poster here is always missguiding the population that secularism have the tendency to absorba nd allow every one to act upon his own wishes according to the religion...



  • Quote:

    Would Saudi Arabia allow the 'basic right' of driving an automobile, to all women? ....

    Saudi arabia is not a secular country and can observe bans according to ISLAMIC rulings.

    Why you would like saudia to act as a secular state????

    YOUR stand in favour of secular state is under observation here.

    Pls come up with some sound logics here,circular arguments will never impress but would damage ur cause here....



  • Quote:

    Rights are according to the Constitution, based upon traditions and culture of the Land....

    Historical misquoting here..

    In pakistan you always back up acts against the consitiution of Pakistan which is having in it ISLAMIC laws only to be implemented..

    Hijab and things like that are purely ISLAMIC rulings but always preach against constitution and HIJAB in Pakistan...

    What is this on your side?????



  • Quote:

    Those who support human rights violations most in Pakistan are the ones complaining of the same in other countries. What an irony. ....

    Again you are missquoting here..

    Islamists only demand every thing according to the constitution of the Pakistan which is about,implementing and producing anything but not against ISLAM......

    We are according to the constution....