French President backs veil ban
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Talk money and they might retract from the law. Euro Disney is full of families consisting of veiled, rich beurettes of the Gulf. They will lose more money at min 50€ entry than 150-200€ fine for some 2000 veiled women. Incidentally, most Muslim women in France are quite classy and fashion savvy. This veil thing is such a paradox within the Muslims of France, sending mixed messages and hence the French view on fundamentalist thought or minority behind it.
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Plz forget about the host and focus on the questions/debate-
5 February 2011 Last updated at 14:24 GMT
David Cameron has criticised "state multiculturalism" in his first speech as prime minister on radicalisation and the causes of terrorism.
At a security conference in Munich, he argued the UK needed a stronger national identity to prevent people turning to all kinds of extremism.
He also signalled a tougher stance on groups promoting Islamist extremism.
Ministers should refuse to share platforms or engage with such groups, which should be denied access to public funds and barred from spreading their message in universities and prisons, he argued.
"Frankly, we need a lot less of the passive tolerance of recent years and much more active, muscular liberalism," the prime minister said.
Multi-culti as they call it, has failed. People of the west say it themselves. Merkel, the Chancellor of Germany said the same thing on 20-October-2010. Canadians are saying it. Americans are saying it. French are saying it.
The west and the people living in the west have failed once again.
@alkaram: France, under the "banner" of secularism, "claims" to "allow" "freedom to practice" "one's own religion", does it not ?
Why should a human being living in France need to "migrate" in order to "practice" the "religion" they believe in ?
If that's the case, then that amounts to France not allowing human beings the freedom to practice one's own religion.
How would it look upon France, and the French people, when the whole world finds out the fact that the Fresh are a people who do not allow "freedom of religion" to human beings ?
Which in turn means, the French don't adhere to what they claim to adhere to. Which in turn shows that the French adhere to no set of laws, no code of conduct, no rules, no nothing. They are effectively a lawless people.
How does mankind "treat" or "deal" with human beings who adhere to no code of conduct, no set of laws, no rules ?
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History has proven over and over again the fact that, allowing "freedom of religion" is the "hallmark" of Islam, and those who adhere to Islam (i.e., Muslims), not of any other people in this entire world/universe.
..and so it shall remain, forever, as per ALLAH ALMIGHTY's will.
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کیا ہوا بھائی، یہ شادی کے بعد شیر کی دھاڑ کہاں غائب ہو گئی
وہ لمبی لمبی لچھے دار تحریریں، وہ جھپٹنا، پلٹنا اور پلٹ کر پھر جھپٹنا کہاں گیا
اب تو بس تین سطور لکھ کر غائب ہو جاتے ہیں
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""کراچی میں رہنا ہے تو جئے متحدہ کہنا "" والی سیچو ایشن لگتی ہے فرانس میں
سلام بھائی آپ بھی حد کرتے ہیں/لگتا ہے ابھی تک فراق کی گھڑیاں گن رہے ہیں وصال کا مرحلہ طے ہوتے ہی آدمی جھپٹنے پلٹنے والی حرکتیں چھوڑ دیتا ہے
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France imposes first niqab fines
Hind Ahmas and Najate Nait Ali were caught wearing the niqab in public outside Meaux town hall, eastern Paris, soon after the law came in in May.
The women say they will appeal against their punishment all the way to the European Court of Human Rights.
Meanwhile another woman said she would stand for president in her niqab.
Thursday's sentencing in Meaux was closely followed not just in France but right across Europe, says the BBC's Christian Fraser in Paris.
Belgium, Italy, Denmark, Austria, the Netherlands and Switzerland all have - or are planning - similar legislation.
Divorced mother Hind Ahmas, 32, a mother-of-three, was fined 120 euros (£104) by the court.
Before the hearing she said she was hoping a fine would be imposed, to enable her to challenge it.
"Without a condemnation I can't move forward. There has to be this sanction with a fine so that I can take this to the European Court of Human Rights. It's imperative that there's a sanction," she said.
Najate Nait Ali was fined 80 euros.
They become the first of 91 women stopped by French police to be handed a fine.
Ahmas's parents were not strict Muslims. She told the BBC she put on the niqab for the first time six years ago as an educated single woman.
She claims she once wore mini-skirts and liked to party before she rediscovered her faith.
Some Muslim groups say since the ban was introduced in April a number of women have been assaulted both verbally and physically by members of the public.
These two women would most likely have to exhaust the appeals process in France - which can take considerable time - before they can hope to test the legislation in the European court in Strasbourg, our correspondent says.
Another high-profile niqab-wearer, Kenza Drider, has said she will stand for president in the 2012 election.
She has become a champion for several hundred women in France who insist wearing the niqab is a personal choice and a right enshrined by European law.
She said: "The reality is, there is a lot of unemployment in France and a lot of problems in France so let's not focus on what I wear, let's deal with the real problems. So my candidacy is really being done for that. To say don't stop at what I'm wearing, but go much deeper."
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Ten Muslim students have been convicted of unlawfully disrupting a speech last year by Israel's ambassador to the US.
They shouted prepared statements at Michael Oren in February 2010, defying calls for order from officials at the University of California, Irvine.
The students' lawyers say they had a right to protest, but prosecutors said it curbed Mr Oren's right to be heard.
The 10 could face up to six months in jail, in a case that has sparked a heated debate about free speech.
The students stood up one by one, shouting slogans such as: "It's a shame this university has sponsored a mass murderer like yourself."
Their supporters say the case has unfairly criminalised student protest.
About 150 people attended Friday's hearing at Orange County Superior Court.
Some of them were visibly upset when the verdict was delivered, reports the Associated Press news agency.
Erwin Chemerinsky, the dean of the law school at the university, believed the conviction was heavy-handed.
Shakeel Syed, of the Islamic Shura Council of Southern California, said it was "yet another reaffirmation that Islamophobia is intensely and extensively alive and thriving in Orange County".
More hypocrisy from the West, being exposed in front of the world.
We Muslims should get ourselves and our children prepared for the times mentioned at the end of the following hadeeth:
When Hudhayfah asked, 'O Messenger of Allah, we were in a state of Jahiliyyah (pre-Islamic time of ignorance) and evil, then Allah brought us this good. Will there be any evil after this good?', the Prophet (peace be upon him) said, 'Yes.' Hudhayfah said, 'Will there be any good after that evil?' The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, 'Yes, but it would be tainted with dakhan 'i.e. a little evil'.' I (Hudhayfah) asked, 'What will its dakhan be? He (peace be upon him) said, 'There will be some people who will guide (people) according to something other than my guidance and will lead them according to something other than my Sunnah (whatever is reported from the Prophet). You will see their actions and disapprove of them.' Hudhayfah said, 'Will there be any evil after that good?' He (peace be upon him) said, 'Yes, there will be some people who will invite others to the doors of Hell, and whoever accepts their invitation to it will be thrown in it (by them).' Hudhayfah said, 'O Messenger of Allah, describe those people to us.' He (peace be upon him) said, 'They will be from among us and speak our language (i.e. from among the Arabs).” Hudhayfah asked, 'What do you command us to do at that point?' He (peace be upon him) said, 'Adhere to the Jama
ah (group) of the Muslims and their leader.' Hudhayfah asked, 'What if there is no Jamaah and no leader?' He (peace be upon him) said, 'Keep away from all those different sects, even if you have to bite (i.e. eat) the root of a tree, until you die while you are still in that state.' (Related by Al-Bukhari and Muslim).
Messenger of Allaah salAllaahu alaihi wasallam said, "A time will come that the best property of a Muslim will be sheep which he will take on the top of Mountains and the places of rainfall (valleys) so as to flee with his religion from afflictions." [sahih Bukhari]
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hmm... would you all consider saudis forcing all women to wear burqa under the same context? they dont even care if she is westerner, but she has to wear burqa in Saudi or else she will be behind bars.
Saudia main burqa pehnwaatay hain.... France main utarwaatay hain
Saudi women don't use "burqa" its only used in Pukhtun culture of Afghanistan and Pakistan.
What Saudi women wear is very different from "burqa". They use khimar, jilbab, hijab etc and the face veil is called "niqab".
By the way officially in Saudi "niqab" is not obligatory but in many rural areas women do observe it very strictly same as in Pakistan and many other Muslim countries.
You may hold a different opinion but there are millions of Muslims who hold the opinion of "niqab" being obligatory (wajib). Everyone has the right to practice their religion.
My wife is an Australian born and raised. She decided to wear niqaab because she think its obligatory for her. Why do you think this right should be taken away from her?